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I'm curious about
the nature of the universe,

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and I want to be out there
exploring the stars.

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I have a philosophy
of curiosity.

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Like, I just want to know
what's going on.

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And in order
to know what's going on,

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we must have an increase

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in the scope
and scale of consciousness.

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What are the questions
that we don't know to ask?

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Like, what are the odds
that we are in base reality?

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Like, maybe we're in
a simulation.

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Look at the advancement
of video games.

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In my lifetime,
it's gone fromPong,

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you've got two rectangles
and a square...

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...to photorealistic,
real-time games

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with millions of people
playing simultaneously,

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just in the span of 50 years.

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If that trend continues,

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the future will be millions,
maybe billions,

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of indistinguishable
from reality video games.

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So then there's some probability
that we're in a simulation.

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I would say it's pretty high.

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If simulation theory
is correct,

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only the most interesting
simulations will survive.

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Toward the end
of the COVID pandemic,

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my phone rang,

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and a friend of mine urged me
to make a film about Elon Musk.

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This was before Trump 2.0.,

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when Elon was both
the richest man in the world

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and a climate savior
who wanted to go to Mars.

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I said yes.

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The first thing I did
was to reach out to Elon,

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but Elon beat me
to the punch on Twitter.

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I prepared
for an exchange of views.

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Then the tweets stopped,

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and it was clear
that Musk was not going to sit

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for an interview with me.

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But while
he didn't want to talk to me,

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I still wanted to hear
and understand

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- what he had to say.
- Cheers.

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After all,
I owned a Tesla solar system.

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I had watched him build SpaceX,

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and I had ridden hands-free

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in one of his
self-driving cars.

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Now turn right
onto Lincoln Boulevard.

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Later on, as I watched
his turn to Trump,

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I wanted to understand
what game he was playing.

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So I asked my team
to try to create

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a database of everything
he'd ever said in public.

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I'm more an engineer
than anything else.

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I'll say what I want to say,

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and if the consequence of that
is losing money, so be it.

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I got "Boléro" stuck in my head.

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The tools of physics
are very powerful.

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I haven't come up with anything
to really...

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It's really just
to prove critical thinking.

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I'm pleased to say
that something is missing.

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This is not a way
to make money.

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Maybe we're in
a simulation. Maybe we are.

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One idea
that Musk returned to

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over and over was this notion

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that we were living
in a simulation,

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trapped in a kind
of existential video game.

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He believed it likely
that an artificial intelligence

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of the future
had exfiltrated all knowledge

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and life experiences
from planet Earth

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and was now running
an ancestor simulation

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in which our past lives
had become the training data

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for a kind of sim world.

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In honor of that idea,

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we decided
to edit together recordings

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of his actual words
to create a simulated interview

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at the heart of a kind of
documentary video game.

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I mean, I don't think
I'm being played

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by somebody in a video game.

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But then people in video games
don't generally think that.

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T-minus two minutes.

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Stage one LOX load is complete.

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Tesla is about trying
to make sure things are good

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for the future on Earth.

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SpaceX is about
a good future beyond Earth.

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When you think
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he has his fingerprints on,

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it's mind-blowing.

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He's got this epic sense

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of the role he's gonna play
in helping humanity.

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Elon is one of the greatest
builders of all time,

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potentially the greatest
builder of all time.

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SpaceX launch director,
go for launch.

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I wasn't the first
to tell this story.

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Many had gone before me,

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and with access to Elon,
they all seemed to coalesce

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around the notion of
a genius engineer and inventor

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who was willing
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to build businesses
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the richest man in the world.

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He inspired people

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because he didn't follow
the rules.

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He made them up
as he went along.

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- T-minus ten...
- I liked that.

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And I liked his ambition.

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The sky was the limit.

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...four, three...

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Or was it?

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...two, one.

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There need to be things

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that make you look forward
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A future where we are
out there among the stars.

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Our brother,
the giver of power, is yonder,

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playing with his planet again.

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These men...

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Elon's story reminded me
of a movie I'd seen as a kid,

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The Man Who Could Work Miracles.

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They are pitifully small
and weak,

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but I like them.

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What is the good of them?

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As an experiment,
the gods grant absolute power

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to a random human being to see
if the miracles he wished for

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would change the world
or the man himself.

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- Playing fair.
- He starts small.

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Says, "Here, you."

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Turn upside down
without breaking

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and go on burning steady.

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Mostly they're
for his own benefit.

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Now.

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But as the man exercises
his mighty power,

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his imagination expands
to match it.

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I got my own ideas at last.

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This old world of yours,
it's over.

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Soon, the man determines

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to build a new
and better world.

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...and us in the great hall.

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And he has the power
to do it.

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Now!

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Ladies and gentlemen...

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...give it up
for the greatest capitalist

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in the history
of the United States of America,

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Elon Musk!

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Elon! Elon!
Elon! Elon! Elon! Elon!

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To make this film,
I set out to solve a mystery.

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How had Musk assumed
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and why had we given it to him?

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I originally came out
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to do energy physics
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and ended up putting
that on hold to start Zip2.

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Zip2 provides online access

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to information about cities
around the country.

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Everything from where to eat
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In starting the company,
I had nothing.

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I had no income source.

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We found that an office

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was actually cheaper than
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There was
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on the floor below.

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So we were able to get
really cheap internet access

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by drilling a hole in the floor

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and connecting
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Zip2 had the opportunity
to sell to Compaq in early '99

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for a little over
300 million dollars in cash.

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Cash is cash.

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I mean, those are just
a large number of Ben Franklins.

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There it is gentlemen,
the fastest car in the world!

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It's a million dollars
for a car.

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It's... It's, uh...
It's decadent.

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What impressed me about Elon,
how assertive he was,

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fearlessness.

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When somebody says,

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"I can bend the laws
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when you're 19, 20, 21,

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you say a lot of big,
bold statements.

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But with him,
there was a different quality

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to the way he talked about
what he was going to accomplish.

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And he was always kind of,
like, selling himself to you.

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I don't think he really made
a distinction

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between who he was

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and Silicon Valley
startup culture.

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Like, in his mind,
I think it was pretty much...

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it's the same thing.
It's-- It's life or death.

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Succeed or fail.
And failure is death.

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And death is not an option.

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He loved his McLaren
and talked about it.

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And, you know, it's sort of,
like, I had no interest.

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Kara Swisher helped
popularize tech journalism.

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Her interviews with the titans
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became iconic.

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And for a while,
Kara was more famous

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than Elon Musk.

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Back then, Musk was just
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pitching stories about himself.

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Elon was like
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Everyone was moving
analog things to digital.

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Zip2 essentially put
yellow pages on the internet.

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It was a minor thing.

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I think he made
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but he kind of
lost control of it.

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It's a very similar theme,

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is that he gets into beefs
and then he gets kicked out,

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or he kicks someone out,
one or the other.

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Kara Swisher is right.

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There's a story
behind Zip2 that's different

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from the way Elon tells it.

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First of all,
his dad gave him a grubstake

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- to start the company.
- Wow.

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And Musk's timing was good.

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In Silicon Valley
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money rained on startups
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When angel investors appeared
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they removed him as CEO

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and hired programmers
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which were so tangled
they were called hairballs.

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The company
never made a profit.

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But when Musk sold his shares,

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he pocketed 22 million dollars.

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For most of us,
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of Silicon Valley
can be hard to understand.

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How can you keep screwing up
and still rake in millions?

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Elon used the money from Zip2

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to fund his next venture,

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a financial services website
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X.com, this is Julie.

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I've sunk
the great majority

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of my net worth into X.com,

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which is the new banking
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on the internet
that I've started.

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- Big X.
- Exactly. X.com.

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I first met Elon

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when he had founded

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and was running
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that was competing with PayPal.

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When we merged X.com
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he was CEO
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He had a very big vision about
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but he wasn't adjusting

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to the key problems
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What we needed to do
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If you didn't get
to a business model,
you were gonna die.

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Peter Thiel decided that Elon

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was driving the company
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Peter talked
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during a week
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so that when Elon got back,
Elon is out.

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Peter said
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"Don't answer your phone,
don't talk to him."

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I felt like, you know,
someone calls you,

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you answer the phone,
you talk to them.

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He and I went out to lunch.

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He spent three hours
trying to persuade me

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in any way possible
to break ranks

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with Peter and the execs.

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Elon believes

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that he can 100 percent
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and doesn't believe that
when you do something like this,

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that there's a risk coefficient.
It might or might not work.

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And when you try
something really big,

256
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it has a bigger chance
of failing, of blowing up.

257
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Musk was fired as CEO
for the second time,

258
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and the upside was even better.

259
00:16:04,273 --> 00:16:06,275
Well, who said dot-coms
are dead?

260
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eBay is shelling out
one and a half billion bucks

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for PayPal.

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When we sold PayPal to eBay,

263
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that actually
worked out reasonably well.

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When a lot of
these people got payoffs,

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they either
became venture capitalists

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and invested in a bunch
of companies, which is dull,

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or they started companies
that were even dumber,

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like digital dry cleaning.

269
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But Elon was doing things
that were analog.

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Nobody was doing that
at the time.

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Oh, hi.

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-
Hi, Elon. How you doing?
- Hi. Good, how are you?

273
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When I was in college,

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there were three areas
that I thought

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would most affect
the future of humanity.

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Uh, that was, uh, the internet.

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- Uh...
- You were right about that.

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Yeah.

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Transition to a sustainable
energy economy.

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- Okay.
- Um...

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And, uh, the third was,
uh, space exploration,

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in particular the extension
of life beyond Earth.

283
00:17:04,506 --> 00:17:07,164
What do you personally think
is out there that we can find

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by, you know,
launching rockets into space?

285
00:17:09,752 --> 00:17:11,720
Well, I think there's a lot
that we can find.

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- Aliens?
- Uh, um...

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Unlikely in our solar system.

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- Uh, it's possible--
- Maybe some pink ones.

289
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Well, Mars is red,
it's pink-ish.

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Um...

291
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Three, two, one.

292
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I was used to hearing

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from these various
internet millionaires

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who would call and say,

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"Would like to do something
with my money and space.

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Can you talk to me?"

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00:17:39,092 --> 00:17:42,164
I didn't know who Elon was
when he first called me.

298
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He wanted to meet.

299
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He asked me,
"Is there an airport nearby?"

300
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And he says, "I fly private."

301
00:17:49,792 --> 00:17:51,518
I said, "Yeah, I can see
the airport from my house."

302
00:17:51,622 --> 00:17:54,038
And literally, I could look out
my window and see it.

303
00:17:54,142 --> 00:17:55,695
He says, "Great,
I'll be there tomorrow."

304
00:17:58,663 --> 00:17:59,630
He was frustrated

305
00:17:59,733 --> 00:18:01,632
that we should have been
to Mars by then,

306
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and we weren't.

307
00:18:03,220 --> 00:18:06,361
I put the team together,
really an all-star team.

308
00:18:06,464 --> 00:18:08,328
People who, like me,
had grown up

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under the Apollo era...

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...were frankly pissed off
that we had never gone back.

311
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We knew that we would die

312
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trying to live
with a government

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who was slow as molasses
to get it done.

314
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But we had a problem.

315
00:18:28,072 --> 00:18:30,454
Elon couldn't afford
U.S. rockets.

316
00:18:30,557 --> 00:18:33,146
They were running 70,
80 million dollars apiece.

317
00:18:34,182 --> 00:18:35,252
But Russian rockets,
we could get

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for three
to five million dollars.

319
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I went to Russia, uh,
in late 2001, in early 2002,

320
00:18:54,892 --> 00:18:58,723
uh, to try to buy, um, ICBMs.

321
00:18:59,483 --> 00:19:01,968
Right.

322
00:19:02,071 --> 00:19:05,040
I said, "I don't need
the nuke, just need the rocket."

323
00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:06,835
Uh...

324
00:19:09,976 --> 00:19:13,600
We headed over
to Russia to make a deal.

325
00:19:15,568 --> 00:19:17,570
I was the guy that knew
about Russian rockets,

326
00:19:17,673 --> 00:19:20,193
I'd helped convert
a number of 'em.

327
00:19:20,297 --> 00:19:21,988
We had a meeting
with the chief designer

328
00:19:22,091 --> 00:19:24,749
of a Soviet-era ICBM factory.

329
00:19:24,853 --> 00:19:26,855
And Elon gave the same speech
to this guy

330
00:19:26,958 --> 00:19:30,099
that he gave
to me when he first called me.

331
00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:32,723
Elon stops, and finally,
the chief designer,

332
00:19:32,826 --> 00:19:35,243
he was just looking down,
and he went...

333
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:39,695
...and he spit on Elon's shoes,
and then he spit on my shoes.

334
00:19:40,144 --> 00:19:42,008
And Elon said... turns to me,

335
00:19:42,111 --> 00:19:43,423
he goes,
"I think he spit on my shoes."

336
00:19:43,527 --> 00:19:46,530
I said, "Yeah, I think that's
a sign of disrespect, Elon."

337
00:19:47,738 --> 00:19:51,051
It was a very quiet ride
to the airport.

338
00:19:51,155 --> 00:19:53,261
We all thought
we'd really failed.

339
00:19:54,986 --> 00:19:58,473
It was mostly an empty flight
and there was a number of rows,

340
00:19:58,576 --> 00:20:00,854
- uh, between us and Elon.
- ♪ ♪

341
00:20:00,958 --> 00:20:02,615
And Elon turns around

342
00:20:02,718 --> 00:20:05,100
and, uh, he says, "No, guys,"

343
00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:09,829
he says, uh, "I think we can
build this rocket ourselves."

344
00:20:09,932 --> 00:20:12,590
He said, "I've been hanging out
with the guys from the team

345
00:20:12,694 --> 00:20:14,799
going out
into the Mojave Desert

346
00:20:14,903 --> 00:20:16,663
and doing amateur
rocket launches."

347
00:20:16,767 --> 00:20:18,941
Very serious rockets
they made themselves.

348
00:20:20,771 --> 00:20:22,566
And Elon had a bit of
a religious experience

349
00:20:22,669 --> 00:20:24,602
- watching this.
- There we go!

350
00:20:24,706 --> 00:20:26,086
He started asking these guys,

351
00:20:26,190 --> 00:20:28,710
"Well, what would
a rocket look like?
What would you build?"

352
00:20:31,022 --> 00:20:33,093
Elon said, "We're gonna
start a little company

353
00:20:33,197 --> 00:20:34,578
and we'll just build it."

354
00:20:38,375 --> 00:20:39,686
I wasn't able to hire anyone

355
00:20:39,790 --> 00:20:41,240
to be the chief designer
of the rocket,

356
00:20:41,343 --> 00:20:43,276
so I ended up
being that myself.

357
00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:45,278
People think like
I'm a business guy

358
00:20:45,382 --> 00:20:46,969
or something like that.

359
00:20:47,073 --> 00:20:49,696
I do engineering and, you know--

360
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,353
and manufacturing
and that kind of thing.

361
00:20:51,457 --> 00:20:53,942
That's like 80 percent or more
of my time.

362
00:20:54,045 --> 00:20:55,771
Hardcore engineering.

363
00:21:06,817 --> 00:21:08,784
At one time,
he wanted to be called

364
00:21:08,888 --> 00:21:10,476
the chief engineer.

365
00:21:10,579 --> 00:21:12,581
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you're laughing.

366
00:21:12,685 --> 00:21:15,032
Like, was Elon an engineer?

367
00:21:15,135 --> 00:21:16,447
Elon's a damn good engineer,

368
00:21:16,551 --> 00:21:18,415
but he's not
an educated engineer.

369
00:21:19,312 --> 00:21:20,382
So this is kind of a fun--

370
00:21:20,486 --> 00:21:21,728
a fun way to interface

371
00:21:21,832 --> 00:21:24,179
with what is really
a very complex model.

372
00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:27,458
The public really
is attracted...

373
00:21:27,562 --> 00:21:31,117
to the idea of this--
this superhuman person,

374
00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:32,739
and the media builds it.

375
00:21:32,843 --> 00:21:35,397
This is a new machine
that just arrived.

376
00:21:35,501 --> 00:21:36,950
It's just being, uh, tested.

377
00:21:37,917 --> 00:21:39,539
During my years with Elon,

378
00:21:39,643 --> 00:21:41,748
Elon never wrote down CEO

379
00:21:41,852 --> 00:21:45,304
or king of the world, or...

380
00:21:45,407 --> 00:21:47,202
...studly international playboy.

381
00:21:48,962 --> 00:21:50,067
He wrote engineer.

382
00:21:53,173 --> 00:21:55,037
Engineers could not
quite figure out

383
00:21:55,141 --> 00:21:57,523
why it was that the suits
made the big money

384
00:21:57,626 --> 00:21:59,456
when it was the engineers
who actually built the stuff

385
00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:01,285
that they were selling.

386
00:22:01,389 --> 00:22:02,976
Elon was somebody
who had learned

387
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,219
to speak both languages

388
00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:05,703
and he could move
between the tribes.

389
00:22:07,602 --> 00:22:09,362
And he wore jeans
and T-shirts to work.

390
00:22:11,744 --> 00:22:14,367
And whenever
we went shopping for clothes,

391
00:22:14,471 --> 00:22:17,370
or later consulted
with the stylist,

392
00:22:17,474 --> 00:22:19,407
he would say,
"No, no, you don't understand.

393
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:21,926
I can't look cool or hip,

394
00:22:22,030 --> 00:22:23,997
because I have to look
like an engineer."

395
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:34,214
He could get things done

396
00:22:34,318 --> 00:22:35,457
and he could
push things forward.

397
00:22:35,561 --> 00:22:37,390
He could scale.

398
00:22:37,494 --> 00:22:39,288
But he also had,
like, a fingertip feel

399
00:22:39,392 --> 00:22:40,428
for the technology.

400
00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:45,467
And that's what creates
a sense of magic.

401
00:22:46,813 --> 00:22:48,919
This is a day...

402
00:22:49,022 --> 00:22:51,439
I've been looking forward to
for two and a half years.

403
00:22:52,647 --> 00:22:54,096
When figures
like Steve Jobs

404
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,823
play up this idea
of being the magician,

405
00:22:57,376 --> 00:22:58,791
you get on stage

406
00:22:58,894 --> 00:23:00,965
and reveal wonders
to the audience

407
00:23:01,069 --> 00:23:02,933
who will then go out
and stand in line

408
00:23:03,036 --> 00:23:03,865
and buy your product.

409
00:23:03,968 --> 00:23:05,038
And to unlock the phone,

410
00:23:05,142 --> 00:23:08,387
I just take my finger
and slide it across.

411
00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:10,078
Right? You want
to see that again?

412
00:23:13,012 --> 00:23:15,739
It also creates a sense
that you remove the magician

413
00:23:15,842 --> 00:23:18,397
and, uh, everything falls apart.

414
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:19,984
One of the great
science fiction writers,

415
00:23:20,088 --> 00:23:22,918
uh, said that "Any
sufficiently-advanced technology

416
00:23:23,022 --> 00:23:24,955
is indistinguishable
from magic."

417
00:23:25,058 --> 00:23:27,026
These technologies
are created by engineers,

418
00:23:27,129 --> 00:23:29,131
so therefore an engineer
is the closest thing

419
00:23:29,235 --> 00:23:31,375
to a magician
that exists in the real world.

420
00:23:33,515 --> 00:23:35,379
This is what a visionary does.

421
00:23:35,483 --> 00:23:37,485
They don't just tell us
a new story,

422
00:23:37,588 --> 00:23:39,107
they are that story.

423
00:23:40,626 --> 00:23:42,421
And soon they don't even
have to open up their mouths,

424
00:23:42,524 --> 00:23:43,974
they just walk into the room.

425
00:23:51,775 --> 00:23:54,225
I had met people like him

426
00:23:54,329 --> 00:23:56,089
over the 20 years previous.

427
00:23:56,193 --> 00:23:58,540
There's been many people,

428
00:23:58,644 --> 00:24:00,853
primarily White males

429
00:24:00,956 --> 00:24:05,616
who want to build rockets
to go to Mars.

430
00:24:06,859 --> 00:24:11,588
But at that time, NASA
was retiring the space shuttle,

431
00:24:11,691 --> 00:24:14,142
which had never lived up
to its goals

432
00:24:14,245 --> 00:24:16,282
of launching more often

433
00:24:16,385 --> 00:24:19,181
and for less expensive costs.

434
00:24:19,285 --> 00:24:22,012
And so there was really
gonna be public attention on,

435
00:24:22,115 --> 00:24:24,877
"What is NASA gonna do?"

436
00:24:24,980 --> 00:24:28,570
Summer of '08, I was leading
the NASA transition team

437
00:24:28,674 --> 00:24:30,676
for the Obama administration.

438
00:24:30,779 --> 00:24:33,817
Reducing the cost
of getting to and from orbit

439
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,922
was the most important thing.

440
00:24:36,026 --> 00:24:38,684
And the government had been
doing it for over 50 years.

441
00:24:38,787 --> 00:24:41,652
It was time to let
the private sector take that on.

442
00:24:49,729 --> 00:24:53,492
Three, two, one, zero,

443
00:24:53,595 --> 00:24:56,633
plus one, plus two,
plus three, plus four,

444
00:24:56,736 --> 00:24:59,739
plus five, plus six,
plus seven,

445
00:24:59,843 --> 00:25:03,191
plus eight,
plus nine, plus ten.

446
00:25:05,711 --> 00:25:07,575
We have liftoff confirmed.

447
00:25:10,923 --> 00:25:13,270
Falcon 1 is airborne
at this time.

448
00:25:28,837 --> 00:25:31,978
The failures were spectacular.

449
00:25:32,082 --> 00:25:35,016
Seeing giant exploding rockets
is quite an amazing sight.

450
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,260
Uh, and I was one of
the early investors in SpaceX

451
00:25:38,364 --> 00:25:41,125
and I said, "You know what,
if all I get to do...

452
00:25:42,126 --> 00:25:44,232
...is to see
these rockets explode...

453
00:25:44,335 --> 00:25:47,511
...it's well worth every dime
I put into this company."

454
00:25:55,726 --> 00:25:56,658
When we started SpaceX,

455
00:25:56,762 --> 00:25:58,280
they said,
"Oh, you're gonna fail."

456
00:25:58,384 --> 00:26:01,145
I said, "Well, I agree.
I think we probably will fail."

457
00:26:01,249 --> 00:26:04,286
You've gotta take big chances
in order for the potential

458
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:06,737
for a big positive outcome.

459
00:26:15,056 --> 00:26:18,093
And pressure coming up.

460
00:26:18,197 --> 00:26:19,681
Come on, baby.

461
00:26:24,030 --> 00:26:25,998
Please tell me
that's interstage lights.

462
00:26:26,101 --> 00:26:28,897
- There we go.
-
Coming up on stage separation.

463
00:26:31,866 --> 00:26:33,661
Separate stages are separated.

464
00:26:36,077 --> 00:26:37,596
Thank fucking God.

465
00:26:37,699 --> 00:26:39,287
I mean, whatever.

466
00:26:39,390 --> 00:26:42,117
Thank whoever. Fuck.

467
00:26:44,395 --> 00:26:45,880
Fucking awesome.

468
00:26:45,983 --> 00:26:49,469
Holy shit.

469
00:26:49,573 --> 00:26:50,678
There goes the bearing.
Look at that.

470
00:26:50,781 --> 00:26:52,541
Yeah, yeah. I see it.

471
00:26:52,645 --> 00:26:54,820
- Why's it wobbling like that?
- I don't know.

472
00:26:54,923 --> 00:26:57,132
- It's, uh...
-
Got the wobbles.

473
00:26:57,236 --> 00:26:58,168
Hey, we got the wobbles here.

474
00:26:58,271 --> 00:26:59,341
Why'd you say that?

475
00:26:59,445 --> 00:27:03,035
This is not good.
Uh-oh. Stop it. Stop it.

476
00:27:03,138 --> 00:27:04,864
We have an abort, standby.

477
00:27:04,968 --> 00:27:06,038
Oh, fuck.

478
00:27:07,349 --> 00:27:09,317
- Fuck, fuck, fuck.
- Brace, VLE.

479
00:27:10,698 --> 00:27:12,389
Verify SPACEX is green.

480
00:27:25,436 --> 00:27:27,611
Moving to
a terminal count abort.

481
00:27:29,164 --> 00:27:31,373
SpaceX had failed
its third launch.

482
00:27:31,477 --> 00:27:32,996
That was a nightmare year.

483
00:27:33,099 --> 00:27:36,827
I only ever thought we had
enough money for three launches.

484
00:27:36,931 --> 00:27:39,071
We just barely,
barely scraped together enough

485
00:27:39,174 --> 00:27:41,245
to do a fourth launch.

486
00:27:41,349 --> 00:27:42,799
Yeah, pressures are back up

487
00:27:42,902 --> 00:27:44,697
to where they should be now,
on the...

488
00:27:50,013 --> 00:27:52,671
Five, four, three,

489
00:27:52,774 --> 00:27:56,053
two, one, zero.

490
00:27:56,157 --> 00:27:57,158
Liftoff.

491
00:27:57,261 --> 00:27:59,125
We have liftoff.

492
00:27:59,229 --> 00:28:01,680
Launch vehicle,
Falcon has cleared the tower.

493
00:28:06,408 --> 00:28:08,376
Stage separation confirmed.

494
00:28:10,343 --> 00:28:13,450
Second stage approaching SECO.

495
00:28:19,525 --> 00:28:20,595
Shut it down.

496
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:31,123
Holy fuck, man.

497
00:28:32,055 --> 00:28:33,228
Shit.

498
00:28:35,403 --> 00:28:37,060
Hey, we're in orbit.

499
00:28:37,163 --> 00:28:38,613
Fuck yeah!

500
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:40,201
Well, that'll be beeped out.

501
00:28:40,926 --> 00:28:42,548
America, fuck yeah!

502
00:28:45,171 --> 00:28:47,864
You often hear Elon
talk about that launch.

503
00:28:47,967 --> 00:28:50,521
He says if that flight
hadn't worked,

504
00:28:50,625 --> 00:28:51,730
they would have gone bankrupt.

505
00:28:51,833 --> 00:28:53,559
Well, this is fucking awesome.

506
00:28:53,662 --> 00:28:55,975
But actually,
if we were far down the road...

507
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:59,220
...they would have gotten
the government money anyway.

508
00:29:01,636 --> 00:29:05,019
So, I mean, this-- this really
means a lot to SpaceX.

509
00:29:05,122 --> 00:29:06,158
Obviously, I mean,
getting to orbit,

510
00:29:06,261 --> 00:29:07,780
I mean, that's just
a huge milestone.

511
00:29:07,884 --> 00:29:09,471
There's only a handful
of countries on Earth

512
00:29:09,575 --> 00:29:11,232
that have done it.
It's normally a country thing,

513
00:29:11,335 --> 00:29:12,647
not a company thing.

514
00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:14,822
So it's just
an amazing achievement.

515
00:29:14,925 --> 00:29:16,720
This is your hard work
that made this happen.

516
00:29:21,587 --> 00:29:23,762
And this is just
the first step of many.

517
00:29:27,179 --> 00:29:28,456
Vehicle is supersonic.

518
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,907
SpaceX is
the first private company

519
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:33,116
ever selected
to carry NASA cargo.

520
00:29:33,219 --> 00:29:36,050
Only four entities
have launched a space capsule

521
00:29:36,153 --> 00:29:39,018
into orbit and successfully
brought it back.

522
00:29:39,122 --> 00:29:42,263
The United States,
Russia, China,

523
00:29:42,366 --> 00:29:44,230
and Elon Musk.

524
00:29:44,334 --> 00:29:47,061
I feel about Elon
like you would feel

525
00:29:47,164 --> 00:29:49,857
about someone
who was in the trenches

526
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,307
with you in World War I.

527
00:29:52,411 --> 00:29:55,897
We were fighting
to save the space program.

528
00:29:56,001 --> 00:30:00,074
SpaceX has saved the government
30-plus billion dollars.

529
00:30:03,215 --> 00:30:04,664
Belief in Elon,

530
00:30:04,768 --> 00:30:08,841
his vision
has really carried SpaceX.

531
00:30:08,945 --> 00:30:11,257
President Obama
having a competition

532
00:30:11,361 --> 00:30:13,052
with the private sector
to do it

533
00:30:13,156 --> 00:30:14,640
for significantly less money.

534
00:30:16,090 --> 00:30:17,954
And here he was,
"Wow, this is a smart guy,

535
00:30:18,057 --> 00:30:20,094
and he's probably gonna
be able to do it.

536
00:30:20,197 --> 00:30:21,233
I'm doing the right thing."

537
00:30:21,336 --> 00:30:22,510
There's something
pretty radical there.

538
00:30:22,613 --> 00:30:24,408
We're gonna try to see

539
00:30:24,512 --> 00:30:27,101
if we can accelerate
this kind of, uh...

540
00:30:27,204 --> 00:30:29,206
this kind of collaboration
through, uh...

541
00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:31,450
through what we put forward,
so...

542
00:30:31,553 --> 00:30:33,107
It's the right plan. Good.

543
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:34,763
Well, congratulations.
This is terrific.

544
00:30:34,867 --> 00:30:36,213
- Thank you very much.
- How's the car doing?

545
00:30:36,317 --> 00:30:37,456
- It's doing great, actually.
- Yeah?

546
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:39,699
How do you split your time
between car and rocket?

547
00:30:39,803 --> 00:30:42,081
Well, it's usually about 50-50.

548
00:30:42,185 --> 00:30:43,945
Confidence is important.

549
00:30:44,049 --> 00:30:45,222
It makes people believe

550
00:30:45,326 --> 00:30:47,846
that you belong
in the driver's seat.

551
00:30:47,949 --> 00:30:51,401
Musk wasn't a sole inventor
of patents or prototypes.

552
00:30:51,504 --> 00:30:53,334
But he was
a skilled inventor

553
00:30:53,437 --> 00:30:55,267
of his own value.

554
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:57,131
And that value
could be exchanged

555
00:30:57,234 --> 00:30:58,753
for real money in a market

556
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:00,824
that priced shares
as a reflection

557
00:31:00,928 --> 00:31:02,584
of the genius of the founder.

558
00:31:03,827 --> 00:31:06,588
To win at that game,
you had to convince everyone

559
00:31:06,692 --> 00:31:09,039
that from day one
there was only one player

560
00:31:09,143 --> 00:31:10,523
at the console.

561
00:31:29,991 --> 00:31:31,579
So, Martin,
what got you going

562
00:31:31,682 --> 00:31:32,925
on the idea of an electric car?

563
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:34,962
- What was the turn on?
- Well, I mean, you know,

564
00:31:35,065 --> 00:31:36,722
starting a car company
is insane.

565
00:31:36,825 --> 00:31:38,517
Um, and I didn't think
I was insane.

566
00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:41,002
I really, in the beginning,
only wanted a car for myself.

567
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,455
Martin Eberhard is an inventor.

568
00:31:45,558 --> 00:31:48,734
His startup company
created an early e-book reader,

569
00:31:48,837 --> 00:31:52,186
which he then sold
for almost 200 million dollars.

570
00:31:54,326 --> 00:31:57,777
He founded Tesla in 2003
with his business partner,

571
00:31:57,881 --> 00:32:00,815
Marc Tarpenning,
with one clear goal.

572
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:04,819
Use an all-electric drivetrain
and lithium ion batteries

573
00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:07,235
to power
a super-fast sports car.

574
00:32:09,789 --> 00:32:12,240
One thing you can get out
of an electric motor is torque,

575
00:32:12,344 --> 00:32:14,346
ridiculous torque starting
at zero RPM.

576
00:32:14,449 --> 00:32:16,003
You can make a car
that outperforms everything.

577
00:32:16,106 --> 00:32:18,246
It was just obvious to me.

578
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:20,352
Their business plan said
the Tesla Roadster

579
00:32:20,455 --> 00:32:22,906
would be more efficient
than a Toyota Prius

580
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:25,253
and faster than a Lamborghini.

581
00:32:27,738 --> 00:32:29,982
I met a small EV hobby company

582
00:32:30,086 --> 00:32:32,605
that had made a little car
called the tZero.

583
00:32:32,709 --> 00:32:35,056
I said, "Build me that car,
I'll pay you for it.

584
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,402
And while you're at it,

585
00:32:36,506 --> 00:32:37,748
let's not put lead-acid
batteries like your other cars,

586
00:32:37,852 --> 00:32:41,097
let's build this one
with lithium-ion batteries."

587
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,305
Lithium-ion batteries
were designed

588
00:32:42,408 --> 00:32:44,238
for consumer electronics.

589
00:32:44,341 --> 00:32:46,723
But if you overcharge
even by a few millivolts,

590
00:32:46,826 --> 00:32:48,656
it becomes quite dangerous.

591
00:32:50,623 --> 00:32:53,074
They require
a fairly serious

592
00:32:53,178 --> 00:32:55,628
battery management system.

593
00:32:55,732 --> 00:33:00,150
The idea was to scale
from an e-book up to the car.

594
00:33:00,254 --> 00:33:01,531
And we came up
with an architecture

595
00:33:01,634 --> 00:33:02,532
that indeed did scale.

596
00:33:02,635 --> 00:33:04,706
And that led
to the formation of Tesla.

597
00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:09,711
Marc and I both met Elon first
at a Mars Society meeting.

598
00:33:09,815 --> 00:33:11,403
We're both amateur space geeks.

599
00:33:13,094 --> 00:33:14,785
At the time
that we started Tesla,

600
00:33:14,889 --> 00:33:16,718
I reached out to him. I said,
"Hey, you don't remember me,

601
00:33:16,822 --> 00:33:18,651
but I'd like to give you
my investor's pitch."

602
00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:20,274
He liked it.

603
00:33:20,377 --> 00:33:22,483
He got exactly
what we were talking about.

604
00:33:22,586 --> 00:33:24,864
And he agreed to be
the lead investor of the round,

605
00:33:24,968 --> 00:33:26,763
but not the only investor.

606
00:33:28,351 --> 00:33:31,630
Where do you find time to be CEO
of two companies that size?

607
00:33:31,733 --> 00:33:34,909
Well, I should correct you
that I'm CEO of SpaceX.

608
00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:36,876
Uh, and-- I'm chairman
and CEO of SpaceX,

609
00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:38,050
and that is really my day job.

610
00:33:38,154 --> 00:33:39,879
So I spend 80 percent
of my time on SpaceX.

611
00:33:39,983 --> 00:33:41,295
- Okay.
- I am the chairman

612
00:33:41,398 --> 00:33:44,574
and the principal owner
of Tesla Motors,

613
00:33:44,677 --> 00:33:46,645
but I do not run it
on a daily basis.

614
00:33:46,748 --> 00:33:48,543
Is it a couple of phone calls
to the Tesla folks?

615
00:33:48,647 --> 00:33:50,994
"How's it going? I'm busy
with outer space right now,"

616
00:33:51,098 --> 00:33:52,478
- you know?
- Yeah. I spend about two--

617
00:33:52,582 --> 00:33:55,792
two to three days a month
on Tesla-related business,

618
00:33:55,895 --> 00:33:57,932
and almost all the rest
of the time is on SpaceX.

619
00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:01,073
So SpaceX is very much
my day-to-day job.

620
00:34:01,177 --> 00:34:02,419
When Elon agreed to invest,

621
00:34:02,523 --> 00:34:04,214
I was in love with the guy.

622
00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:05,664
If I had been
a little bit more savvy,

623
00:34:05,767 --> 00:34:07,321
I would have done
a background check on him

624
00:34:07,424 --> 00:34:10,358
and understood
that he has an ego problem.

625
00:34:10,462 --> 00:34:11,670
Not that I wouldn't
have taken his money,

626
00:34:11,773 --> 00:34:13,534
'cause I didn't have
a lot of offers on the table.

627
00:34:13,637 --> 00:34:15,122
You take the money
that's in front of you.

628
00:34:15,225 --> 00:34:17,331
But I might have thought
about Elon a little differently,

629
00:34:17,434 --> 00:34:19,505
maybe protected myself better.

630
00:34:21,921 --> 00:34:24,165
The first inkling
that I had a problem with Elon

631
00:34:24,269 --> 00:34:26,167
came shortly after
a big unveiling

632
00:34:26,271 --> 00:34:28,169
down at
the Santa Monica airport.

633
00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:29,653
We showed off the cars

634
00:34:29,757 --> 00:34:31,034
and Arnold Schwarzenegger
was there

635
00:34:31,138 --> 00:34:32,484
and everybody went for a drive.

636
00:34:33,864 --> 00:34:37,282
It's important for us to change
the perception of electric cars,

637
00:34:37,385 --> 00:34:38,524
and we do that by making a car

638
00:34:38,628 --> 00:34:40,216
that breaks
all of the stereotypes

639
00:34:40,319 --> 00:34:41,631
of what an electric car can be.

640
00:34:43,184 --> 00:34:45,635
If all the cars in the world
were hybrids,

641
00:34:45,738 --> 00:34:47,533
would we solve
our oil addiction? No.

642
00:34:47,637 --> 00:34:49,225
To fundamentally change
the equation,

643
00:34:49,328 --> 00:34:51,365
you gotta have
an all-electric vehicle.

644
00:34:52,676 --> 00:34:55,162
It was an exciting show
and tell of the company,

645
00:34:55,265 --> 00:34:57,716
and a lot of press
was written about that.

646
00:34:58,406 --> 00:34:59,856
Basically, any press
that didn't prominently

647
00:34:59,959 --> 00:35:02,617
feature Elon's name caused him
to go nonlinear.

648
00:35:06,311 --> 00:35:09,176
Eberhard, his version
of the story is that,

649
00:35:09,279 --> 00:35:10,384
out of the blue,

650
00:35:10,487 --> 00:35:13,352
he pitched me on funding
his electric car company,

651
00:35:13,456 --> 00:35:15,182
and he convinced me to do it.

652
00:35:15,285 --> 00:35:16,907
Totally false.

653
00:35:17,011 --> 00:35:18,254
If I had not met them,

654
00:35:18,357 --> 00:35:20,187
I would have just moved forward
and created Tesla,

655
00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:21,705
and I think
it would be indistinguishable

656
00:35:21,809 --> 00:35:23,604
from what it is today.

657
00:35:23,707 --> 00:35:26,400
A year after unveiling
the Roadster prototype,

658
00:35:26,503 --> 00:35:29,230
Tesla was over budget
and behind schedule,

659
00:35:29,334 --> 00:35:30,680
partly because Elon,

660
00:35:30,783 --> 00:35:33,131
Tesla's biggest investor
and chairman of the board,

661
00:35:33,234 --> 00:35:36,893
kept insisting
on expensive design changes.

662
00:35:36,996 --> 00:35:39,999
Despite the fact
that he had caused
cost overages,

663
00:35:40,103 --> 00:35:43,417
Musk claimed that Eberhard had
been dishonest with the board

664
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,798
about production costs
for the Roadster.

665
00:35:47,214 --> 00:35:49,733
The board of directors
would never let me hire a CFO.

666
00:35:49,837 --> 00:35:52,150
Three of the board members
were Elon, Elon's brother,

667
00:35:52,253 --> 00:35:53,530
and Elon's buddy.

668
00:35:53,634 --> 00:35:57,258
So I was basically blind
to the finances of the company.

669
00:35:57,362 --> 00:35:59,743
I told Elon that we should
bring in another CEO,

670
00:35:59,847 --> 00:36:01,331
that I would move
into some role

671
00:36:01,435 --> 00:36:02,781
where I'm focusing
on the technology

672
00:36:02,884 --> 00:36:05,404
and not on the business side
of things.

673
00:36:05,508 --> 00:36:07,406
We had dinner
and he told me something

674
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:08,925
very amusing at that table.

675
00:36:09,028 --> 00:36:11,479
He said that, "The one thing
that nobody can ever take away

676
00:36:11,583 --> 00:36:13,930
from you is that
you're the founder of Tesla."

677
00:36:15,518 --> 00:36:17,313
Turned out that not only

678
00:36:17,416 --> 00:36:19,349
had Martin known
the cost of the car,

679
00:36:19,453 --> 00:36:21,558
he had instructed the rest
of the management team

680
00:36:21,662 --> 00:36:22,973
not to say anything
to the board.

681
00:36:23,077 --> 00:36:25,079
Obviously, there's no way
he could be part of the company.

682
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:26,839
I mean, this guy
had flat out lied to us

683
00:36:26,943 --> 00:36:28,427
and instructed others to lie.

684
00:36:29,566 --> 00:36:31,292
Elon called me at home.

685
00:36:31,396 --> 00:36:33,501
He actually told me
that they had found a new CEO.

686
00:36:33,605 --> 00:36:36,435
I'm like, "Oh, great.
I mean, awesome."

687
00:36:36,539 --> 00:36:39,369
It was a relatively
friendly call at first,

688
00:36:39,473 --> 00:36:40,612
but somewhere in there,
he said,

689
00:36:40,715 --> 00:36:42,717
"And by the way,
you're out of the company."

690
00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:54,073
It was
a battle over a story.

691
00:36:54,177 --> 00:36:55,627
When Musk fired Eberhard,

692
00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:58,457
Musk refused to pay him
what he claimed he was owed.

693
00:36:58,837 --> 00:36:59,941
A lawsuit followed,

694
00:37:00,045 --> 00:37:03,013
and it was settled only when
Musk was able to claim

695
00:37:03,117 --> 00:37:05,050
that he was what he wasn't,

696
00:37:05,153 --> 00:37:07,328
a founder of Tesla.

697
00:37:07,432 --> 00:37:08,536
What I learned
in that process is

698
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,607
there's no legal definition
of founder.

699
00:37:10,711 --> 00:37:11,677
You could call yourself
a founder.

700
00:37:11,781 --> 00:37:13,023
There's nothing illegal
about that.

701
00:37:13,127 --> 00:37:14,577
- Really?
- Sure.

702
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,304
Why not? You should be.
You'd be a good founder.

703
00:37:18,443 --> 00:37:20,238
I have with me
the incorporation papers

704
00:37:20,341 --> 00:37:21,756
for Tesla Motors,
and you'll see his name

705
00:37:21,860 --> 00:37:22,792
is nowhere on them.

706
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:25,622
Eberhard, in particular,
is the worst guy

707
00:37:25,726 --> 00:37:27,693
I've ever worked with,
and I want to make
a note of this.

708
00:37:27,797 --> 00:37:30,800
He is literally the worst person
I've ever worked with.

709
00:37:30,903 --> 00:37:33,181
And I've worked with some
real douchebags.

710
00:37:43,882 --> 00:37:47,265
Most CEOs get
and take a lot of credit.

711
00:37:47,368 --> 00:37:49,577
Why did Musk
have to rewrite history

712
00:37:49,681 --> 00:37:52,339
in order to make himself
the only real player?

713
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,550
I would learn
that it was more than ego.

714
00:37:56,653 --> 00:37:58,517
In Silicon Valley,
being a founder

715
00:37:58,621 --> 00:38:00,795
is not just a stock-in-trade.

716
00:38:00,899 --> 00:38:03,488
It's a way to trade for stock.

717
00:38:03,591 --> 00:38:05,938
The market is rigged
for founders of companies,

718
00:38:06,042 --> 00:38:10,218
particularly those who can
claim to start more than one.

719
00:38:11,703 --> 00:38:13,325
The stuff we've done
thus far I think is good,

720
00:38:13,429 --> 00:38:15,707
but it's evolutionary,
it's not revolutionary.

721
00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:18,123
The key invention is a rapidly

722
00:38:18,226 --> 00:38:20,746
and completely reusable rocket.

723
00:38:20,850 --> 00:38:22,230
T-minus 20 seconds.

724
00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:24,025
Stage 2 tanks pressing
for flight.

725
00:38:24,129 --> 00:38:25,406
Flight computer has control.

726
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:27,960
Many more companies
than SpaceX had attempted

727
00:38:28,064 --> 00:38:29,962
to do a reusable launch vehicle.

728
00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:31,032
Seven...

729
00:38:31,136 --> 00:38:33,276
Being able to do it
in an efficient way,

730
00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:34,726
SpaceX is the first
to have done that.

731
00:38:34,829 --> 00:38:36,383
Three, two, one!

732
00:38:39,351 --> 00:38:40,525
Check it out.

733
00:38:49,637 --> 00:38:50,742
Come on.

734
00:38:52,226 --> 00:38:53,814
Okay, where's the...

735
00:38:55,056 --> 00:38:56,506
Okay, this is bad.

736
00:38:58,922 --> 00:38:59,923
Potentially bad.

737
00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:09,519
♪ I love it

738
00:39:09,623 --> 00:39:12,039
♪ I got this feeling
On the summer day ♪

739
00:39:12,142 --> 00:39:13,454
♪ When you were gone

740
00:39:13,558 --> 00:39:15,214
♪ I crashed my car
Into the bridge ♪

741
00:39:15,318 --> 00:39:17,458
♪ I watched, I let it burn

742
00:39:23,084 --> 00:39:25,501
- It's standing up.
- It's standing up.

743
00:39:25,604 --> 00:39:26,916
Look at this.
Look at it.

744
00:39:27,019 --> 00:39:28,435
Look at it,
it's just sitting there.

745
00:39:28,538 --> 00:39:29,953
Look at that.

746
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,541
What?

747
00:39:32,231 --> 00:39:33,371
Holy smokes, man.

748
00:39:33,474 --> 00:39:35,096
♪ I'm in the Milky Way

749
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,997
♪ You want me down on Earth
But I am up in space ♪

750
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:42,828
♪ You're so damn hard to please
We gotta kill this switch ♪

751
00:39:42,932 --> 00:39:46,487
♪ You're from the '70s
But I'm a '90s bitch ♪

752
00:39:46,591 --> 00:39:50,318
♪ I don't care, I love it

753
00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:54,046
♪ I don't care
I love it, I love it ♪

754
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:54,978
♪ I don't care

755
00:39:55,082 --> 00:39:57,325
Ten, nine, eight...

756
00:39:57,429 --> 00:40:00,639
...seven, six, five,

757
00:40:00,743 --> 00:40:04,540
four, three, two, one.

758
00:40:10,822 --> 00:40:12,479
Go, go, go! Go, go, go!

759
00:40:14,688 --> 00:40:16,586
Did you see that go up, man?

760
00:40:20,072 --> 00:40:23,110
That's unreal.

761
00:40:23,213 --> 00:40:25,595
And the Falcon has landed!

762
00:40:25,699 --> 00:40:29,634
-
We launched it.
- ♪ I don't care, I love it

763
00:40:29,737 --> 00:40:33,154
♪ I don't care, I love it

764
00:40:33,258 --> 00:40:35,363
♪ I love it, I don't care

765
00:40:41,715 --> 00:40:43,199
♪ I love it

766
00:40:56,833 --> 00:40:58,594
"No one who knows
my ex-husband

767
00:40:58,697 --> 00:41:01,182
would accuse him
of being weak-willed.

768
00:41:02,494 --> 00:41:04,082
The same qualities
that helped bring about

769
00:41:04,185 --> 00:41:05,670
his extraordinary success

770
00:41:05,773 --> 00:41:10,019
dictate that the life
you lead with him is his life.

771
00:41:10,122 --> 00:41:12,711
You have to want
the same things he wants,

772
00:41:12,815 --> 00:41:14,092
and there is no middle ground,

773
00:41:14,195 --> 00:41:16,888
not least because
he has no time to find it."

774
00:41:24,102 --> 00:41:26,691
"Elon was obsessed
with his work.

775
00:41:26,794 --> 00:41:29,176
When he was home,
his mind was elsewhere.

776
00:41:31,903 --> 00:41:34,284
I longed for deep
and heartfelt conversations,

777
00:41:34,388 --> 00:41:36,010
for intimacy and empathy.

778
00:41:37,425 --> 00:41:40,014
I felt insignificant
in his eyes,

779
00:41:40,118 --> 00:41:41,947
and I began thinking
about what effect

780
00:41:42,051 --> 00:41:46,711
our dynamic would have
on our five young sons."

781
00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:53,856
There's a poet who talked about
how love

782
00:41:53,959 --> 00:41:57,066
or companionship is two
solitudes existing together.

783
00:41:57,169 --> 00:41:59,931
It was easy to be with him
for long stretches of time,

784
00:42:00,034 --> 00:42:04,314
and that made up
for all the arguing.

785
00:42:06,593 --> 00:42:08,526
There was a Borders
or Barnes and Noble.

786
00:42:08,629 --> 00:42:10,044
We'd choose books
and magazines,

787
00:42:10,148 --> 00:42:13,945
and then we'd sit and eat
croissants and read together.

788
00:42:14,946 --> 00:42:16,741
I mean, it sounds simple,
but it was,

789
00:42:16,844 --> 00:42:17,845
you know, kind of blissful.

790
00:42:17,949 --> 00:42:20,745
Like, I was really happy
in those...

791
00:42:20,848 --> 00:42:22,091
Sorry, I'm gonna...

792
00:42:25,888 --> 00:42:27,614
Sorry.

793
00:42:29,926 --> 00:42:33,171
I knew that I wanted kids with
this kind of, like, visceral,

794
00:42:33,274 --> 00:42:36,139
deep down feeling like,
"I must have children one day."

795
00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:38,694
But, uh...

796
00:42:40,281 --> 00:42:42,939
after Nevada died, um...

797
00:42:44,423 --> 00:42:45,701
that was...

798
00:42:48,151 --> 00:42:50,637
that-- that was, uh...
that was...

799
00:42:51,914 --> 00:42:52,880
hard.

800
00:42:59,507 --> 00:43:02,234
Our way of reacting
to Nevada's death

801
00:43:02,338 --> 00:43:05,134
was to, you know, get pregnant
as quickly as possible.

802
00:43:05,237 --> 00:43:09,276
And I liked the idea
of having, um, more kids

803
00:43:09,379 --> 00:43:10,829
because then...

804
00:43:10,933 --> 00:43:13,280
Sorry, I can't--
I can't talk about this for...

805
00:43:14,626 --> 00:43:15,696
I can't talk about...

806
00:43:32,506 --> 00:43:34,404
I wanted to somehow...

807
00:43:39,582 --> 00:43:41,619
learn how to...

808
00:43:43,448 --> 00:43:45,208
...live with Nevada's death.

809
00:43:47,590 --> 00:43:48,591
Um...

810
00:43:48,695 --> 00:43:49,834
You know, I guess,

811
00:43:49,937 --> 00:43:53,354
you know, create a story
in a way that was healing.

812
00:43:53,769 --> 00:43:55,667
And, uh...

813
00:43:55,771 --> 00:43:58,152
So my way of doing that,
I think, was to think that,

814
00:43:58,256 --> 00:44:01,708
"Oh, well, if, you know...
Like, Nevada died,

815
00:44:01,811 --> 00:44:05,297
but we have these, you know...

816
00:44:05,401 --> 00:44:06,782
these great gorgeous kids."

817
00:44:07,955 --> 00:44:09,819
The twins took a few tries,

818
00:44:09,923 --> 00:44:13,961
IVF clinic, but the triplets
just happened like that.

819
00:44:16,481 --> 00:44:20,519
There was a sense
of distance, growing distance,

820
00:44:20,623 --> 00:44:26,698
and maybe some, you know,
increasing contempt on his part.

821
00:44:26,802 --> 00:44:30,046
I think after Zip2, you know,
Elon achieved a certain level

822
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:33,325
and then suddenly I was not

823
00:44:33,429 --> 00:44:36,915
invited to come along
with him anymore.

824
00:44:37,019 --> 00:44:39,021
It was like the boys' club.

825
00:44:39,124 --> 00:44:43,404
And so I was, you know,
at home.

826
00:44:45,027 --> 00:44:47,512
I learned the term
"gaslighting"

827
00:44:47,615 --> 00:44:49,514
through my relationship
with Elon.

828
00:44:49,617 --> 00:44:52,275
He would reinvent
the arena of the conversation

829
00:44:52,379 --> 00:44:54,001
and kind of like
knock you out of it.

830
00:44:54,105 --> 00:44:56,452
And then you're like there
and wondering like,

831
00:44:56,555 --> 00:44:58,730
"What happened? I thought
we were talking about this

832
00:44:58,834 --> 00:45:00,111
and somehow
we were talking about that.

833
00:45:00,214 --> 00:45:01,940
And now you're
talking over here and..."

834
00:45:02,044 --> 00:45:04,149
And then he would make a joke

835
00:45:04,253 --> 00:45:07,463
or tell you 15 things
that were wrong with you

836
00:45:07,566 --> 00:45:09,465
and you would cry.

837
00:45:09,568 --> 00:45:11,985
And then three hours later
or three days later,

838
00:45:12,088 --> 00:45:14,263
or maybe a week later,
it would be like,

839
00:45:14,366 --> 00:45:15,782
"Let's go to the movies."

840
00:45:15,885 --> 00:45:19,233
It'd be like war, peace,
war, peace.

841
00:45:22,236 --> 00:45:24,929
I just wanted to have a say,

842
00:45:25,032 --> 00:45:28,035
you know,
in how this story was told.

843
00:45:29,209 --> 00:45:31,038
So I decided I'll just sit down

844
00:45:31,142 --> 00:45:34,283
and I'll just write out
the story of my marriage.

845
00:45:38,218 --> 00:45:39,633
"As we danced
at our wedding reception,

846
00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:42,947
Elon told me, 'I am the alpha
in this relationship.'

847
00:45:46,847 --> 00:45:48,297
In the months following
our wedding,

848
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,540
a certain dynamic
began to take hold.

849
00:45:51,645 --> 00:45:54,130
Elon's judgment overruled mine,

850
00:45:54,234 --> 00:45:57,858
and he was constantly remarking
on the way he found me lacking.

851
00:45:57,962 --> 00:45:59,826
'I am your wife,'
I told him repeatedly,

852
00:45:59,929 --> 00:46:02,380
'Not your employee.'

853
00:46:02,483 --> 00:46:05,555
'If you were my employee,'
he said just as often,

854
00:46:05,659 --> 00:46:07,040
'I would fire you.'"

855
00:46:15,842 --> 00:46:17,360
Filing for divorce.

856
00:46:17,464 --> 00:46:18,430
It was sort of--

857
00:46:18,534 --> 00:46:20,363
certainly very,
very difficult emotionally

858
00:46:20,467 --> 00:46:25,334
I think for both Justine
and me, um...

859
00:46:25,437 --> 00:46:29,303
I was fortunate enough to meet
Talulah the following month.

860
00:46:31,409 --> 00:46:32,582
"You can see from the way

861
00:46:32,686 --> 00:46:34,067
she has her hand on his neck

862
00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:35,654
and her body turned in
towards him

863
00:46:35,758 --> 00:46:37,208
that she's totally into him.

864
00:46:38,899 --> 00:46:41,212
His torso, however,
faces the camera

865
00:46:41,315 --> 00:46:43,870
and his thoughts
seem somewhere else.

866
00:46:43,973 --> 00:46:46,217
With Elon, though,
they generally are."

867
00:46:56,192 --> 00:46:57,849
I'm trying to integrate things

868
00:46:57,953 --> 00:47:00,679
to an overarching picture
of the business.

869
00:47:00,783 --> 00:47:03,234
You know, 'cause I'm weighing in
a bunch of things, like, for--

870
00:47:03,337 --> 00:47:05,684
"When do we need
to get to cash flow positive?"

871
00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:07,100
You know,
"What financing is needed?"

872
00:47:07,203 --> 00:47:08,446
- All these things.
- Yeah.

873
00:47:08,549 --> 00:47:10,689
It's, you know,
the cash flow from Roadster,

874
00:47:10,793 --> 00:47:12,795
the cash flow
from Model S deposits.

875
00:47:12,899 --> 00:47:14,417
Can those get us
to cash flow positive,

876
00:47:14,521 --> 00:47:17,213
or damn close,
within six to nine months?

877
00:47:17,317 --> 00:47:19,664
Because that is what I think

878
00:47:19,767 --> 00:47:21,390
would allow us to go public.

879
00:47:21,493 --> 00:47:23,392
Lehman Brothers
is going bankrupt.

880
00:47:23,495 --> 00:47:25,014
-
Bear Stearns stock plunging...
- Merrill Lynch...

881
00:47:25,118 --> 00:47:26,257
The housing market collapse

882
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,604
created one financial crisis
after another,

883
00:47:28,707 --> 00:47:31,745
and it often seemed as if
the news could only get worse.

884
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:33,022
You know,
trying to raise money

885
00:47:33,126 --> 00:47:35,024
for a startup
electric car company in 2008,

886
00:47:35,128 --> 00:47:36,992
people were angry
that I even asked them.

887
00:47:37,095 --> 00:47:39,235
They were like,
"Fuck you," and hang up.

888
00:47:40,374 --> 00:47:42,825
Musk had
some real superpowers.

889
00:47:42,929 --> 00:47:45,103
One was a willingness,
even in the midst

890
00:47:45,207 --> 00:47:47,416
of a global financial crisis,

891
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,246
to bet everything he had
on the future.

892
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:52,421
Another was an uncanny ability

893
00:47:52,524 --> 00:47:55,010
to raise money
from the government.

894
00:47:55,113 --> 00:47:57,978
No one invested more
in Musk's dreams

895
00:47:58,082 --> 00:47:59,221
than the U.S. government.

896
00:47:59,324 --> 00:48:02,845
Over time, SpaceX would collect
22 billion dollars

897
00:48:02,949 --> 00:48:05,606
in NASA and defense contracts.

898
00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:08,644
For Tesla, Elon secured
massive loans and credits

899
00:48:08,747 --> 00:48:10,991
from the federal government
to fund the making

900
00:48:11,095 --> 00:48:13,718
of its greatest car,
the Model S,

901
00:48:13,821 --> 00:48:15,064
what one newspaper called,

902
00:48:15,168 --> 00:48:17,204
"A car
that changed the world."

903
00:48:17,308 --> 00:48:21,036
So, this is our new car.

904
00:48:21,139 --> 00:48:23,003
- Very nice.
- Arnold!

905
00:48:29,423 --> 00:48:31,667
Going public takes
a great story,

906
00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:32,944
and Musk had one.

907
00:48:33,048 --> 00:48:35,602
Tesla wasn't
a car manufacturer.

908
00:48:35,705 --> 00:48:37,086
It was a tech company,

909
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:40,124
inventing magical gadgets
with steering wheels,

910
00:48:40,227 --> 00:48:43,610
as if they were dreamed up
by Silicon Valley disruptors

911
00:48:43,713 --> 00:48:45,923
after microdosing LSD.

912
00:48:46,026 --> 00:48:49,478
While the U.S. government was
busy bailing out jalopy makers

913
00:48:49,581 --> 00:48:50,997
like GM and Chrysler,

914
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:52,550
Americans were more excited

915
00:48:52,653 --> 00:48:54,483
by the story
that Elon was telling.

916
00:48:54,586 --> 00:48:56,588
Down, front row!
Look down!

917
00:49:01,283 --> 00:49:03,664
I think you're waiting
for Jennifer Garner.

918
00:49:03,768 --> 00:49:06,012
That's really the...

919
00:49:06,115 --> 00:49:08,014
Well, I'm surprised that people
actually care about

920
00:49:08,117 --> 00:49:09,222
taking a photo of me.

921
00:49:09,325 --> 00:49:11,569
Must be
a slow news day.

922
00:49:14,572 --> 00:49:17,057
- Good luck, Elon.
- All right.

923
00:49:17,161 --> 00:49:19,715
- Hi.
- Hi, I'm Elon Musk.

924
00:49:19,818 --> 00:49:21,096
This is the sedan,

925
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:22,580
- is that right?
- Yeah.

926
00:49:22,683 --> 00:49:24,789
That's a beauty.

927
00:49:24,892 --> 00:49:25,997
Oh, God, turn it off!

928
00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:29,552
I'm being electrocuted!

929
00:49:37,595 --> 00:49:38,423
Thank you.

930
00:49:38,527 --> 00:49:41,150
This is a seductive IPO.

931
00:49:41,254 --> 00:49:43,946
But listen,
Tesla's a sell, sell, sell.

932
00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:45,189
You don't want
to own this stock.

933
00:49:45,292 --> 00:49:46,984
You don't want to lease it.
Heck, you don't even--

934
00:49:47,087 --> 00:49:48,675
you shouldn't even rent
the darn thing.

935
00:49:48,778 --> 00:49:49,987
Because beyond the hype,

936
00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:51,678
there's just not much
going on here.

937
00:49:51,781 --> 00:49:53,231
You know, to Jim, I'd say,

938
00:49:53,335 --> 00:49:56,131
"Yeah, sure, Jim, you know,
we're not Bear Stearns, uh,

939
00:49:56,234 --> 00:49:58,133
but I think
we're gonna do okay."

940
00:50:05,830 --> 00:50:07,452
Tesla is planning
its next moves

941
00:50:07,556 --> 00:50:11,353
after an IPO that raised
226 million dollars.

942
00:50:15,702 --> 00:50:17,876
Let's get to Tesla Motors.

943
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:21,363
The stock has skyrocketed
more than 150 percent.

944
00:50:21,466 --> 00:50:23,572
The Model S
is the best car

945
00:50:23,675 --> 00:50:26,402
in every dimension
that matters.

946
00:50:31,959 --> 00:50:33,064
Over the past year,

947
00:50:33,168 --> 00:50:36,067
it is up
more than 450 percent.

948
00:50:37,827 --> 00:50:39,243
The Tesla Supercharger.

949
00:50:39,346 --> 00:50:41,693
We're gonna have these
at highway rest stops

950
00:50:41,797 --> 00:50:42,867
all around the country.

951
00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:44,731
Electric cars are the future.

952
00:50:58,469 --> 00:50:59,539
This whole tweet,

953
00:50:59,642 --> 00:51:02,162
your stock went up
eight, nine percent.

954
00:51:02,266 --> 00:51:05,131
That seems like
an unlikely thing to happen

955
00:51:05,234 --> 00:51:06,235
just based on a tweet.

956
00:51:06,339 --> 00:51:08,789
We've been able
to accelerate Autopilot.

957
00:51:08,893 --> 00:51:10,032
You can actually summon the car

958
00:51:10,136 --> 00:51:12,586
and the car will come to you
wherever you are.

959
00:51:17,453 --> 00:51:20,077
In the future,
really the future being now,

960
00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:22,148
the cars will be
increasingly autonomous.

961
00:51:22,251 --> 00:51:23,390
You won't really need

962
00:51:23,494 --> 00:51:26,669
to look at an instrument panel
all that often.

963
00:51:26,773 --> 00:51:28,395
You'll be able
to do whatever you want.

964
00:51:28,499 --> 00:51:32,503
To watch a movie, uh,
talk to friends, go to sleep.

965
00:51:32,606 --> 00:51:35,644
- Three, two...
- We'll get
to full self-driving next year.

966
00:51:35,747 --> 00:51:37,370
...one, zero.

967
00:51:41,615 --> 00:51:42,927
I feel very confident

968
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:44,204
predicting
autonomous robo-taxis

969
00:51:44,308 --> 00:51:45,688
for Tesla next year.

970
00:51:49,382 --> 00:51:50,417
Tesla.

971
00:51:50,521 --> 00:51:53,317
Stock surging 86 percent
this year alone.

972
00:51:54,628 --> 00:51:57,528
Are you surprised
by how much it's gone up?

973
00:51:57,631 --> 00:51:59,254
I dunno, what am I supposed
to do? You know?

974
00:52:03,050 --> 00:52:04,121
He is now

975
00:52:04,224 --> 00:52:06,226
the richest person
on the planet.

976
00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:07,538
Musk's net worth rose

977
00:52:07,641 --> 00:52:09,678
to more
than 288 billion dollars.

978
00:52:09,781 --> 00:52:11,197
Elon Musk is officially

979
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:13,682
the richest person ever.

980
00:52:13,785 --> 00:52:14,717
Tesla's value is not...

981
00:52:14,821 --> 00:52:16,478
is not up to me,
it's up to investors.

982
00:52:16,581 --> 00:52:19,446
And they decided
it was worth a trillion dollars.

983
00:52:32,218 --> 00:52:35,152
♪ So don't you fool around

984
00:52:35,255 --> 00:52:37,568
♪ I'm gonna pull it, pull it

985
00:52:37,671 --> 00:52:39,639
♪ Pull the trigger
Shoot to thrill... ♪

986
00:52:39,742 --> 00:52:41,606
Mr. Musk, how are you?

987
00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:43,125
Hi, Pepper. Congratulations
on the promotion.

988
00:52:43,229 --> 00:52:44,540
Thank you very much.

989
00:52:44,644 --> 00:52:46,473
Elon. How's it going?
Those Merlin engines
are fantastic.

990
00:52:46,577 --> 00:52:48,613
Thank you. I've got an idea
for an electric jet.

991
00:52:48,717 --> 00:52:51,133
- You do?
Then we'll make it work.
- Yeah.

992
00:52:51,237 --> 00:52:52,514
He wanted to be in that.

993
00:52:52,617 --> 00:52:55,344
He wanted to be seen
like the Iron Man.

994
00:52:55,448 --> 00:52:58,968
There's very few people
who just as egregiously

995
00:52:59,072 --> 00:53:00,832
promote themselves as Elon.

996
00:53:01,937 --> 00:53:03,110
Hello, I'm Elon Musk.

997
00:53:03,214 --> 00:53:04,181
- Die!
- What the--

998
00:53:04,284 --> 00:53:05,561
Dad, no!

999
00:53:05,665 --> 00:53:08,978
Elon Musk is possibly
the greatest living inventor.

1000
00:53:10,117 --> 00:53:12,189
It's about the cult of Elon.

1001
00:53:12,292 --> 00:53:14,743
You can't beat
the cult of Elon.

1002
00:53:22,544 --> 00:53:25,650
You got the photo? Boom!

1003
00:53:25,754 --> 00:53:28,412
Elon Musk is a genius.
I love the guy.

1004
00:53:28,515 --> 00:53:31,863
He is, in my opinion,
the real-life Iron Man.

1005
00:53:31,967 --> 00:53:32,761
He's amazing.

1006
00:53:32,864 --> 00:53:34,901
The technology
that he has given us

1007
00:53:35,004 --> 00:53:37,800
is just outrageous.

1008
00:53:37,904 --> 00:53:40,527
As somebody
who thinks about the future,

1009
00:53:40,631 --> 00:53:43,254
about things that
are gonna help humanity,

1010
00:53:44,013 --> 00:53:45,946
I really like that side of Elon.

1011
00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:47,327
I don't agree on everything.

1012
00:53:47,431 --> 00:53:49,226
I try to just, like,
keep the other stuff

1013
00:53:49,329 --> 00:53:52,436
that's not related
to Tesla just...

1014
00:53:52,539 --> 00:53:54,576
out of sight, out of mind.

1015
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:57,751
This is still the best-selling,
the safest,

1016
00:53:57,855 --> 00:54:00,754
the most
technologically-advanced vehicle

1017
00:54:00,858 --> 00:54:02,100
on the planet today.

1018
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:18,945
ZOË SCHIFFER: On Twitter,
Elon was kind of a funny,

1019
00:54:19,048 --> 00:54:21,050
quirky character.
And like Donald Trump,

1020
00:54:21,154 --> 00:54:25,572
he got the kind of weird essence
of Twitter and meme culture

1021
00:54:25,676 --> 00:54:28,057
and really used it
to his advantage.

1022
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,646
And he loved Twitter.

1023
00:54:31,889 --> 00:54:33,684
It's all the time.

1024
00:54:33,787 --> 00:54:37,377
He's always on Twitter.

1025
00:54:37,481 --> 00:54:38,930
And he reads his comments.

1026
00:54:40,138 --> 00:54:42,555
I look at it as
a way to learn things...

1027
00:54:44,419 --> 00:54:47,939
...kind of stay in touch
with what's happening.

1028
00:54:48,043 --> 00:54:49,458
It feels like dipping

1029
00:54:49,562 --> 00:54:51,667
into the flow of consciousness
of society.

1030
00:55:03,955 --> 00:55:06,993
I spend
a lot less time on Twitter
than people probably think.

1031
00:55:15,933 --> 00:55:19,350
ZOË: Tesla is one of the most
widely held retail stocks.

1032
00:55:19,454 --> 00:55:22,008
And part of that
is because Elon has cultivated

1033
00:55:22,111 --> 00:55:24,838
this rabid fandom on Twitter.

1034
00:55:24,942 --> 00:55:26,530
People who are
invested in Tesla

1035
00:55:26,633 --> 00:55:29,567
and invested in Elon
as the leader of Tesla.

1036
00:55:36,712 --> 00:55:39,853
This is not
automobile manufacturing

1037
00:55:39,957 --> 00:55:41,579
or automobile retailing.

1038
00:55:41,683 --> 00:55:43,478
This is not finance.

1039
00:55:43,581 --> 00:55:44,893
This is religion.

1040
00:55:48,068 --> 00:55:49,622
I can't help that.

1041
00:55:49,725 --> 00:55:52,107
Lawrence Fossi
is a former business lawyer

1042
00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:54,074
with a keen eye for fraud.

1043
00:55:54,178 --> 00:55:56,560
He was managing investments
for a very rich man

1044
00:55:56,663 --> 00:55:59,079
when Tesla's soaring value
in the stock market

1045
00:55:59,183 --> 00:56:00,736
caught his eye.

1046
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,945
Fossi believed
that the financial system

1047
00:56:03,049 --> 00:56:04,188
was rational

1048
00:56:04,291 --> 00:56:07,260
and that stock prices
reflected underlying value.

1049
00:56:07,364 --> 00:56:11,747
Yet the market seemed
to reward Musk beyond reason.

1050
00:56:11,851 --> 00:56:13,887
Could it be
that the world's richest man

1051
00:56:13,991 --> 00:56:16,925
was also
its most flamboyant fraud?

1052
00:56:17,028 --> 00:56:19,272
I really did not have
an opinion of Elon Musk

1053
00:56:19,376 --> 00:56:21,447
one way or the other
when I started.

1054
00:56:21,550 --> 00:56:23,552
But as I began to research it,

1055
00:56:23,656 --> 00:56:29,213
I came across a video from 2013
where Musk was on stage

1056
00:56:29,316 --> 00:56:32,527
demonstrating something
called a battery swap.

1057
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:34,943
What if people do want
to switch out,

1058
00:56:35,046 --> 00:56:36,151
uh, their battery pack?

1059
00:56:36,254 --> 00:56:38,843
What if they only want to stop
for a short period of time?

1060
00:56:38,947 --> 00:56:42,744
You have the choice
of a battery pack swap,

1061
00:56:42,847 --> 00:56:45,367
which is faster
than you can fill a gas tank.

1062
00:56:48,508 --> 00:56:49,820
On a video screen, he had

1063
00:56:49,923 --> 00:56:51,718
an Audi pulling
into a gas station.

1064
00:56:51,822 --> 00:56:54,583
Meanwhile, from underneath
the stage, things happened

1065
00:56:54,687 --> 00:56:57,137
that were outside
the viewer's perspective.

1066
00:56:57,241 --> 00:56:59,139
There's the battery pack
getting swapped out.

1067
00:57:00,727 --> 00:57:01,901
The audience so badly

1068
00:57:02,004 --> 00:57:04,731
wants to believe
all this stuff,

1069
00:57:04,835 --> 00:57:08,148
but it is so completely
at odds with reality.

1070
00:57:10,565 --> 00:57:14,016
A Tesla battery weighs more
than a thousand pounds.

1071
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,985
But Elon convinced buyers
and regulators

1072
00:57:17,088 --> 00:57:19,953
that you could swap
them out like AA batteries.

1073
00:57:21,507 --> 00:57:23,370
It was a bold sleight of hand.

1074
00:57:24,889 --> 00:57:26,822
Musk seemed to have
solved the biggest problem

1075
00:57:26,926 --> 00:57:29,791
of the electric car. Range.

1076
00:57:29,894 --> 00:57:31,862
Hopefully this is what
convinces people finally

1077
00:57:31,965 --> 00:57:33,933
that electric cars
are the future.

1078
00:57:38,006 --> 00:57:41,319
By claiming this ability
to swap batteries,

1079
00:57:41,423 --> 00:57:43,218
what Tesla was able to do
was to game

1080
00:57:43,321 --> 00:57:46,532
the California Air Resources
Board's regulations

1081
00:57:46,635 --> 00:57:49,569
so that it could earn
what were called ZEV credits,

1082
00:57:49,673 --> 00:57:51,847
or zero emission
vehicle credits.

1083
00:57:53,539 --> 00:57:57,025
Government regulations
aren't always bad for business.

1084
00:57:57,128 --> 00:57:59,821
Sometimes
they spell opportunity.

1085
00:57:59,924 --> 00:58:03,203
To reduce pollution,
California let Tesla sell

1086
00:58:03,307 --> 00:58:05,171
zero emission vehicle credits

1087
00:58:05,274 --> 00:58:08,657
to the state's worst
smog makers who couldn't cure

1088
00:58:08,761 --> 00:58:12,281
their addiction
to gas-guzzling cars.

1089
00:58:12,385 --> 00:58:16,872
In 2012, California
supercharged its ZEV program,

1090
00:58:16,976 --> 00:58:20,082
allowing companies to sell
almost twice as many credits

1091
00:58:20,186 --> 00:58:23,085
if their cars
could recharge quickly.

1092
00:58:23,189 --> 00:58:25,087
That's when Musk unveiled

1093
00:58:25,191 --> 00:58:27,607
the battery swap.

1094
00:58:27,711 --> 00:58:29,367
Well, it's like a shipment
of fake gold bars

1095
00:58:29,471 --> 00:58:32,060
that has one real gold bar
on the outside, or, you know,

1096
00:58:32,163 --> 00:58:34,787
a roll of singles with a hundred
on the outside, right?

1097
00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:36,582
You know, It's like...
It's, uh...

1098
00:58:36,685 --> 00:58:37,755
"I'm a rich man."

1099
00:58:37,859 --> 00:58:38,963
- Right.
- You know?

1100
00:58:39,067 --> 00:58:42,967
It is a canonical
con man's convincer...

1101
00:58:43,071 --> 00:58:45,349
- Right.
- ...to, you know, do it once.

1102
00:58:45,452 --> 00:58:47,800
Cory Doctorow
is a science fiction author,

1103
00:58:47,903 --> 00:58:50,009
journalist, and tech blogger.

1104
00:58:50,112 --> 00:58:52,805
He invented the term
"enshitification,"

1105
00:58:52,908 --> 00:58:55,048
the process by which
Silicon Valley companies

1106
00:58:55,152 --> 00:58:58,707
gradually make their products
worse in ways that frustrate

1107
00:58:58,811 --> 00:59:01,158
and sometimes defraud
their customers.

1108
00:59:01,261 --> 00:59:04,161
The way the carbon credit
rules were written

1109
00:59:04,264 --> 00:59:08,130
is that if a car company
could demonstrate a battery swap

1110
00:59:08,234 --> 00:59:09,304
just once,

1111
00:59:09,407 --> 00:59:12,894
um, the carbon credits
would have a multiple valuation.

1112
00:59:12,997 --> 00:59:14,896
And the reasoning here
on the part of the government

1113
00:59:14,999 --> 00:59:17,208
is that what we should do
is just dangle a carrot

1114
00:59:17,312 --> 00:59:18,278
in front of the private sector.

1115
00:59:19,901 --> 00:59:20,971
The problem is,

1116
00:59:21,074 --> 00:59:23,421
Musk is really good
at reward hacking,

1117
00:59:23,525 --> 00:59:26,252
figuring out how
to satisfy the conditions

1118
00:59:26,355 --> 00:59:28,357
for the success

1119
00:59:28,461 --> 00:59:30,705
without actually succeeding.

1120
00:59:32,396 --> 00:59:34,571
There was
only ever one swap station.

1121
00:59:34,674 --> 00:59:36,434
It was at a place
called Harris Ranch,

1122
00:59:36,538 --> 00:59:38,540
which is in the middle
of California's Central Valley.

1123
00:59:38,644 --> 00:59:40,991
Nothing else around
except a feedlot.

1124
00:59:41,094 --> 00:59:42,820
I went
and I spent three, four days

1125
00:59:42,924 --> 00:59:44,581
checking this thing out.

1126
00:59:47,307 --> 00:59:51,311
Did you see any car
do a battery swap?

1127
00:59:51,415 --> 00:59:53,141
Not one. Not a single one.

1128
00:59:54,521 --> 00:59:56,869
We are at Harris Ranch

1129
00:59:56,972 --> 00:59:59,768
and they are apparently
loading some batteries

1130
00:59:59,872 --> 01:00:02,012
into the swapping facility.

1131
01:00:02,115 --> 01:00:04,946
We weren't allowed to go inside.

1132
01:00:05,049 --> 01:00:06,326
I found out at the factory

1133
01:00:06,430 --> 01:00:10,779
that they're requiring
appointments to do battery swap.

1134
01:00:12,988 --> 01:00:14,818
Clearly, there was never
any real effort

1135
01:00:14,921 --> 01:00:16,129
to make battery swap
actually work

1136
01:00:16,233 --> 01:00:19,236
because the value to Tesla
was not,

1137
01:00:19,339 --> 01:00:22,549
you know, as an actual viable
way to drive adoption.

1138
01:00:22,653 --> 01:00:26,001
It was a way
to earn ZEV credits.

1139
01:00:26,105 --> 01:00:28,417
Once California changed
its rules and insisted

1140
01:00:28,521 --> 01:00:31,869
that Tesla prove that customers
were swapping batteries,

1141
01:00:31,973 --> 01:00:34,285
Tesla abandoned the program.

1142
01:00:34,389 --> 01:00:38,289
But Tesla had already banked
over 100 million dollars

1143
01:00:38,393 --> 01:00:40,498
from its phantom battery swaps.

1144
01:00:40,602 --> 01:00:43,743
Since its founding,
Tesla padded its bottom line

1145
01:00:43,847 --> 01:00:45,745
with more than
11 billion dollars

1146
01:00:45,849 --> 01:00:47,713
in government carbon credits.

1147
01:00:47,816 --> 01:00:51,613
Those credits sometimes turned
quarterly losses into profits,

1148
01:00:51,717 --> 01:00:53,580
which sent
Tesla's stock soaring.

1149
01:00:55,134 --> 01:00:56,756
It just didn't add up to me

1150
01:00:56,860 --> 01:00:58,102
that the company was trading

1151
01:00:58,206 --> 01:01:00,553
at the valuation
it was trading at.

1152
01:01:00,657 --> 01:01:03,211
So I decided
to write about that.

1153
01:01:03,314 --> 01:01:04,626
I had a home in Montana,

1154
01:01:04,730 --> 01:01:07,629
so I chose a pseudonym,
"Montana Skeptic."

1155
01:01:07,733 --> 01:01:11,633
Elon Musk's modus operandi
is that

1156
01:01:11,737 --> 01:01:14,912
the promise is always illusory.

1157
01:01:16,569 --> 01:01:21,781
Tesla is famous for promising
range on its cars that is fake.

1158
01:01:24,784 --> 01:01:27,684
The car advertises
a very long range.

1159
01:01:27,787 --> 01:01:29,686
That's not the actual range.

1160
01:01:29,789 --> 01:01:31,757
The way that
the range gauge works

1161
01:01:31,860 --> 01:01:33,966
is it gives you a fake range

1162
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:35,968
for the first half
of your battery life.

1163
01:01:36,071 --> 01:01:37,763
And then it just sort of goes...

1164
01:01:39,212 --> 01:01:40,938
And it flips over
to a more accurate

1165
01:01:41,042 --> 01:01:42,353
prediction of your range.

1166
01:01:44,493 --> 01:01:47,324
By the time it happens
a few times you're like,

1167
01:01:47,427 --> 01:01:48,705
this car is broken.

1168
01:01:48,808 --> 01:01:50,948
So then you call Tesla service.

1169
01:01:51,052 --> 01:01:52,467
And what Tesla did
was they built up,

1170
01:01:52,570 --> 01:01:53,710
like, a boiler room.

1171
01:01:53,813 --> 01:01:56,333
Another fucking idiot.

1172
01:01:56,436 --> 01:01:58,093
The one thing I know about

1173
01:01:58,197 --> 01:02:00,406
in this world is airlines.

1174
01:02:00,509 --> 01:02:01,787
And Kushan Airlines

1175
01:02:01,890 --> 01:02:03,754
is the future of airlines.

1176
01:02:03,858 --> 01:02:06,032
Scammers. And they would go,
"Oh, wait a minute.

1177
01:02:06,136 --> 01:02:07,654
I'm gonna do
a remote diagnostic."

1178
01:02:09,726 --> 01:02:13,039
But they wouldn't look at
the result of the diagnostics.

1179
01:02:13,143 --> 01:02:15,214
They would just
tell you your car was fine.

1180
01:02:18,113 --> 01:02:21,945
This is a car that lies to you
about what it's doing.

1181
01:02:22,048 --> 01:02:25,120
This is like
a demon-haunted car.

1182
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:29,711
Alchemists
and natural philosophers

1183
01:02:29,815 --> 01:02:31,333
before the scientific method

1184
01:02:31,437 --> 01:02:33,750
would try to design
an experiment

1185
01:02:33,853 --> 01:02:35,855
to figure out
how the universe worked.

1186
01:02:36,822 --> 01:02:37,857
They would get
different results

1187
01:02:37,961 --> 01:02:39,203
every time
they ran the experiment,

1188
01:02:39,307 --> 01:02:40,377
and what they would say is,
"Actually,

1189
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,381
demons are rearranging
the laws of physics."

1190
01:02:44,484 --> 01:02:48,419
They've constructed
a physics of the Tesla,

1191
01:02:48,523 --> 01:02:50,076
right, embodied in code,

1192
01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:52,665
that does
in fact behave differently

1193
01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:54,771
depending on
who's looking at it.

1194
01:02:54,874 --> 01:02:57,359
So Tesla knows,
but you are reliant

1195
01:02:57,463 --> 01:03:00,328
on these instruments
that don't tell you the truth.

1196
01:03:24,973 --> 01:03:28,011
I think
we should be very careful
about artificial intelligence.

1197
01:03:29,564 --> 01:03:30,392
If I were to guess

1198
01:03:30,496 --> 01:03:32,878
what our biggest
existential threat is,

1199
01:03:32,981 --> 01:03:34,293
it's probably that.

1200
01:03:35,501 --> 01:03:38,745
We need to just make sure
that we don't do something

1201
01:03:38,849 --> 01:03:40,299
very foolish.

1202
01:03:40,402 --> 01:03:41,887
All the time I spent with Elon,

1203
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:46,270
I thought I was spending time
with an ethical,

1204
01:03:46,374 --> 01:03:49,653
honest,
socially positive person.

1205
01:03:49,756 --> 01:03:51,862
He wants a backup plan
for humanity.

1206
01:03:51,966 --> 01:03:53,933
He's worried about things
like existential risk.

1207
01:03:54,037 --> 01:03:56,211
He's worried about AI
as a source of existential risk.

1208
01:03:56,315 --> 01:04:02,217
In fact, his concern about that
was what triggered my concern.

1209
01:04:02,321 --> 01:04:05,669
He was fairly obsessed
by that topic at that time.

1210
01:04:05,772 --> 01:04:07,119
In 2012,

1211
01:04:07,222 --> 01:04:10,225
Elon Musk invested in a company
called DeepMind,

1212
01:04:10,329 --> 01:04:12,365
which was
at the forefront of AI.

1213
01:04:12,469 --> 01:04:14,712
It's not actually trying
to make any investment return.

1214
01:04:14,816 --> 01:04:16,059
It's really to just keep an eye

1215
01:04:16,162 --> 01:04:17,957
on what's going on
with artificial intelligence.

1216
01:04:18,061 --> 01:04:21,064
I think there's potentially
a dangerous outcome.

1217
01:04:21,167 --> 01:04:23,169
There's been movies about this.

1218
01:04:23,273 --> 01:04:25,620
Open the pod bay doors, Hal.

1219
01:04:26,828 --> 01:04:28,657
I'm sorry, Dave.

1220
01:04:28,761 --> 01:04:30,280
I'm afraid I can't do that.

1221
01:04:30,383 --> 01:04:32,627
This mission
is too important for me

1222
01:04:32,730 --> 01:04:34,698
to allow you to jeopardize it.

1223
01:04:39,254 --> 01:04:41,739
Well, as someone
who's outside this field,

1224
01:04:41,843 --> 01:04:47,228
I think the challenge I'm really
in touch with is how hard it is

1225
01:04:47,331 --> 01:04:51,922
to take the safety concerns
emotionally seriously

1226
01:04:52,026 --> 01:04:54,373
and how hard it is
for people in the field.

1227
01:04:54,476 --> 01:04:57,445
We got very interested
in AI risk,

1228
01:04:57,548 --> 01:05:00,068
that specific
existential concern together.

1229
01:05:01,173 --> 01:05:03,658
We went to a conference
about AI risk.

1230
01:05:03,761 --> 01:05:07,282
We were just very involved
in thinking that through

1231
01:05:07,386 --> 01:05:08,697
at that point.

1232
01:05:08,801 --> 01:05:10,182
To a point
that was made earlier,

1233
01:05:10,285 --> 01:05:12,632
I think made by Sam
and made by others,

1234
01:05:12,736 --> 01:05:16,153
that we're headed towards
either superintelligence

1235
01:05:16,257 --> 01:05:18,190
or civilization ending.

1236
01:05:18,293 --> 01:05:19,363
Then we have to figure out,

1237
01:05:19,467 --> 01:05:21,814
what is a world
that we would like to be in

1238
01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:24,265
where there is this, um...

1239
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:26,646
digital superintelligence.

1240
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:28,372
I had a conversation with Musk.

1241
01:05:28,476 --> 01:05:30,271
We started off talking
about the existential threat,

1242
01:05:30,374 --> 01:05:32,790
and he clearly understands it
and believes in it.

1243
01:05:32,894 --> 01:05:34,723
He thinks they'll keep us
around as pets

1244
01:05:34,827 --> 01:05:37,174
just 'cause the world will be
more interesting with people in

1245
01:05:37,278 --> 01:05:38,279
than without people.

1246
01:05:38,382 --> 01:05:40,419
I think
that's rather optimistic.

1247
01:05:40,522 --> 01:05:43,387
If they're really
much more intelligent than us,

1248
01:05:43,491 --> 01:05:46,390
um, I'm just not clear
they'll want us as pets.

1249
01:05:46,494 --> 01:05:48,772
Geoffrey Hinton
is a Nobel Prize winner,

1250
01:05:48,875 --> 01:05:51,533
the so-called Godfather of AI.

1251
01:05:51,637 --> 01:05:54,157
He was a key scientist
in developing the logic

1252
01:05:54,260 --> 01:05:55,882
of artificial intelligence.

1253
01:05:57,367 --> 01:05:59,956
Hinton, like Musk,
was keenly interested

1254
01:06:00,059 --> 01:06:01,509
in the work being done
at DeepMind,

1255
01:06:01,612 --> 01:06:04,236
led by a man named
Demis Hassabis.

1256
01:06:05,409 --> 01:06:08,895
Demis Hassabis realized
quite early on

1257
01:06:08,999 --> 01:06:11,484
that video games
were a good domain

1258
01:06:11,588 --> 01:06:15,764
for testing out theories of how
to make intelligent systems.

1259
01:06:17,663 --> 01:06:20,045
When I started working
at Google,

1260
01:06:20,148 --> 01:06:23,565
my recommendation was
they should acquire DeepMind.

1261
01:06:25,084 --> 01:06:27,397
Google had acquired DeepMind.

1262
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:29,778
Larry Page
and I used to be close friends

1263
01:06:29,882 --> 01:06:33,851
and I would talk to him late
into the night about AI safety.

1264
01:06:33,955 --> 01:06:35,163
I said,
"Well, what about, you know,

1265
01:06:35,267 --> 01:06:37,614
we're gotta make sure
humanity's okay here."

1266
01:06:39,650 --> 01:06:40,997
And-- and-- and, um...

1267
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:42,584
and then he called me
a speciesist.

1268
01:06:42,688 --> 01:06:45,311
I was like, "Okay, that's it.
Yes, I'm a speciesist."

1269
01:06:46,899 --> 01:06:49,833
Convinced that Google
would ignore the dangers of AI

1270
01:06:49,936 --> 01:06:51,317
in pursuit of profit,

1271
01:06:51,421 --> 01:06:54,044
Musk established
a nonprofit company

1272
01:06:54,148 --> 01:06:57,358
to explore AI
in an ethical way.

1273
01:06:57,461 --> 01:07:01,396
How do you think OpenAI is going
as a six-month-old company?

1274
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:02,777
It seems
to be going pretty well.

1275
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,506
I think it's important, um,
and it's about minimizing,

1276
01:07:07,609 --> 01:07:10,681
um, the risk
of existential harm.

1277
01:07:12,890 --> 01:07:16,584
There is a very strong
concentration of AI power,

1278
01:07:16,687 --> 01:07:18,379
especially at Google.

1279
01:07:18,482 --> 01:07:20,760
OpenAI was created
as a nonprofit foundation

1280
01:07:20,864 --> 01:07:24,143
to reduce the probability that
AI power would be monopolized.

1281
01:07:25,144 --> 01:07:26,421
I mean,
with artificial intelligence,

1282
01:07:26,525 --> 01:07:28,492
we are summoning the demon.

1283
01:07:28,596 --> 01:07:30,425
You know? You know
all those stories where

1284
01:07:30,529 --> 01:07:31,875
there's the guy
with the pentagram

1285
01:07:31,978 --> 01:07:33,083
and the holy water,
and he's like,

1286
01:07:33,187 --> 01:07:35,361
yeah, he's sure
he can control the demon.

1287
01:07:35,465 --> 01:07:37,777
Didn't work out.

1288
01:07:39,469 --> 01:07:42,610
Mysteriously, not long
after Musk warned us all

1289
01:07:42,713 --> 01:07:44,853
about the demon of AI,

1290
01:07:44,957 --> 01:07:46,096
he would summon it

1291
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,168
to teach his cars
how to drive themselves.

1292
01:07:50,307 --> 01:07:53,586
Musk would name
his creation Autopilot.

1293
01:08:04,666 --> 01:08:05,943
All right.

1294
01:08:08,843 --> 01:08:10,672
Whoa.

1295
01:08:10,776 --> 01:08:12,122
It's on full Autopilot
right now.

1296
01:08:12,226 --> 01:08:14,331
No hands, no feet, nothing.

1297
01:08:14,435 --> 01:08:15,746
What technology's in here?

1298
01:08:17,783 --> 01:08:19,647
A lot of people,
myself included,

1299
01:08:19,750 --> 01:08:22,408
looked at the early demos
of Autopilot

1300
01:08:22,512 --> 01:08:25,273
and were like,
"They got from, like, zero

1301
01:08:25,377 --> 01:08:28,863
to 50 percent
of the way really fast.

1302
01:08:28,966 --> 01:08:32,349
How much longer can the other
50 percent possibly take?"

1303
01:08:32,453 --> 01:08:35,145
Every car coming off the line
in Tesla at the factory

1304
01:08:35,249 --> 01:08:37,009
has the Autopilot hardware.

1305
01:08:37,113 --> 01:08:38,424
Tesla's sort of the leader
in electric cars,

1306
01:08:38,528 --> 01:08:40,806
but I think we'll also sort of
be the leader

1307
01:08:40,909 --> 01:08:42,290
in autonomous cars.

1308
01:08:42,394 --> 01:08:44,050
We know exactly what to do,

1309
01:08:44,154 --> 01:08:45,776
and we'll be there
in a few years.

1310
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,019
Right.

1311
01:08:47,330 --> 01:08:48,745
Just like Mars.

1312
01:08:49,746 --> 01:08:50,850
Uh...

1313
01:08:50,954 --> 01:08:54,095
We're still on track
for being able to go, um,

1314
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:55,683
cross-country from L.A.
to New York

1315
01:08:55,786 --> 01:08:57,374
by the end of the year,
fully autonomous.

1316
01:08:57,478 --> 01:08:59,445
By the end of 2017?

1317
01:09:00,481 --> 01:09:01,275
Yeah.

1318
01:09:01,378 --> 01:09:03,208
Right now, you're driving.
Right now.

1319
01:09:03,311 --> 01:09:04,450
Uh, yeah.

1320
01:09:04,554 --> 01:09:07,212
Uh, but now I'm not.

1321
01:09:07,315 --> 01:09:08,765
- Yeah, pretty wild.
- Wow.

1322
01:09:08,868 --> 01:09:11,871
Musk is free to get into
the car with a news reporter

1323
01:09:11,975 --> 01:09:13,079
and say, "Look, Autopilot.

1324
01:09:13,183 --> 01:09:14,805
You don't even need
to put your hands on it."

1325
01:09:14,909 --> 01:09:16,359
But you cannot rely on that.

1326
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:18,464
Musk's defense is always,

1327
01:09:18,568 --> 01:09:19,948
"Well, look,
if you read the fine print,

1328
01:09:20,052 --> 01:09:23,331
it says the driver must
continue to pay attention."

1329
01:09:25,264 --> 01:09:26,369
I mean, in the future,

1330
01:09:26,472 --> 01:09:28,612
as the car becomes more
and more autonomous,

1331
01:09:28,716 --> 01:09:31,684
it's gonna be really
about entertainment.

1332
01:09:31,788 --> 01:09:34,273
This is not
something you can play
while you're driving.

1333
01:09:34,377 --> 01:09:35,861
Well, I mean, you're not
supposed to play it

1334
01:09:35,964 --> 01:09:38,208
while you're driving.
That would be illegal.

1335
01:09:38,312 --> 01:09:41,038
But will it work
while you're on Autopilot?

1336
01:09:41,142 --> 01:09:43,938
Well, you have to tap a button
that says you're the passenger.

1337
01:09:44,041 --> 01:09:46,561
Hold on. Hold on.

1338
01:09:46,665 --> 01:09:48,080
If this is confusing,

1339
01:09:48,184 --> 01:09:51,014
that might be a feature,
not a bug.

1340
01:09:51,117 --> 01:09:52,602
Oh, it's getting really close
to the--

1341
01:09:52,705 --> 01:09:54,466
Whoa!

1342
01:09:54,569 --> 01:09:56,226
Autopilot
and its successor,

1343
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:58,021
Full Self-Driving,

1344
01:09:58,124 --> 01:09:59,885
were never
officially classified

1345
01:09:59,988 --> 01:10:00,920
as anything more than

1346
01:10:01,024 --> 01:10:02,715
driver assistance programs,

1347
01:10:02,819 --> 01:10:04,476
like cruise control.

1348
01:10:04,579 --> 01:10:07,375
But didn't their names
and the way Musk sold them

1349
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,343
give the impression
of much more?

1350
01:10:09,446 --> 01:10:10,792
Look at this barrier.

1351
01:10:12,794 --> 01:10:15,556
I found a trail
of lawsuits that alleged

1352
01:10:15,659 --> 01:10:18,904
that Full Self-Driving
wasn't just flawed,

1353
01:10:19,007 --> 01:10:20,940
it was killing people.

1354
01:10:21,734 --> 01:10:24,703
Ah, jeez.
The car's doing it all itself.

1355
01:10:24,806 --> 01:10:27,119
I don't know what I'm gonna do
with my hands down here.

1356
01:10:33,056 --> 01:10:36,818
This guy, Joshua Brown,
was a huge Tesla fan.

1357
01:10:38,544 --> 01:10:40,339
He had done a video

1358
01:10:40,443 --> 01:10:43,239
where he said,
"Autopilot saved my life."

1359
01:10:47,622 --> 01:10:49,831
Elon Musk retweeted that video.

1360
01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:55,320
And a month later,
Brown is driving.

1361
01:10:55,423 --> 01:10:56,631
There's a white truck

1362
01:10:56,735 --> 01:10:58,461
that's pulled
across the highway.

1363
01:10:58,564 --> 01:11:00,497
And the Tesla
could not tell the difference

1364
01:11:00,601 --> 01:11:02,706
between the white of the truck
and the sky.

1365
01:11:03,086 --> 01:11:06,572
It went into that truck
at 70, 80 miles an hour.

1366
01:11:08,194 --> 01:11:10,473
Joshua Brown was decapitated.

1367
01:11:12,682 --> 01:11:14,925
And it led
to a big investigation

1368
01:11:15,029 --> 01:11:16,272
that went nowhere.

1369
01:11:22,139 --> 01:11:25,246
As the body count rose
to over 60,

1370
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:27,317
more lawsuits followed.

1371
01:11:27,421 --> 01:11:29,077
Tesla settled
virtually all of them,

1372
01:11:29,181 --> 01:11:30,424
which prevented the public

1373
01:11:30,527 --> 01:11:33,012
from seeing whether
the company was at fault.

1374
01:11:33,116 --> 01:11:34,393
But I noted that one lawyer

1375
01:11:34,497 --> 01:11:36,671
was taking a Florida case
to trial.

1376
01:11:36,775 --> 01:11:40,813
The tie is straight
and the shirt is smooth.

1377
01:11:40,917 --> 01:11:44,610
Brett Schreiber's job
is to take on Tesla in court.

1378
01:11:44,714 --> 01:11:47,026
He's been so successful
that the company has designated

1379
01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:50,098
one of its fixers just
to negotiate with him.

1380
01:11:50,202 --> 01:11:51,341
For nearly five years,

1381
01:11:51,445 --> 01:11:53,378
Schreiber and his team
represented the family

1382
01:11:53,481 --> 01:11:54,896
of Naibel Benavides,

1383
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,314
who was killed
by a Tesla on Autopilot.

1384
01:11:58,417 --> 01:12:01,317
It was a case
where the people harmed

1385
01:12:01,420 --> 01:12:03,422
had nothing to do
with the Tesla.

1386
01:12:03,526 --> 01:12:06,322
They didn't buy it.
They weren't driving it.

1387
01:12:06,425 --> 01:12:08,116
They were just
simply hanging out,

1388
01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:09,566
having gone fishing,

1389
01:12:09,670 --> 01:12:12,535
putting stuff back in their car
and looking up at the stars.

1390
01:12:24,236 --> 01:12:25,513
Hello?

1391
01:12:25,617 --> 01:12:27,619
Hi, 911. What's the location?

1392
01:12:27,722 --> 01:12:30,000
I'm on the end
of Card Sound Road,

1393
01:12:30,104 --> 01:12:32,658
where, at the end,
I just ran into a car.

1394
01:12:32,762 --> 01:12:34,798
- And the guy's unconscious.
- He's unconscious?

1395
01:12:34,902 --> 01:12:36,731
Yeah, he's unconscious.
I don't know what happened.

1396
01:12:36,835 --> 01:12:40,217
I ended up missing the turn.
I was looking down.

1397
01:12:40,321 --> 01:12:41,529
Okay. You hit his car?

1398
01:12:41,633 --> 01:12:43,013
Yeah.
Oh my gosh. Sir, sir...

1399
01:12:43,117 --> 01:12:45,015
- Okay. Listen.
- Sir, are you okay?

1400
01:12:45,119 --> 01:12:47,121
- Hey. Hey.
Is he breathing?
- Sir, are you breathing?

1401
01:12:47,224 --> 01:12:48,709
Help!

1402
01:12:48,812 --> 01:12:50,745
What kind
of cars are involved?

1403
01:12:50,849 --> 01:12:54,024
Uh, it's a Tesla Model S.

1404
01:12:56,406 --> 01:12:57,856
Fuck.

1405
01:12:57,959 --> 01:13:00,134
I was driving on. I looked down.
I'd been using the...

1406
01:13:01,653 --> 01:13:03,137
...cruise control,
and I looked down.

1407
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,759
I didn't realize how close
I was to the thing
and then I sat up.

1408
01:13:04,863 --> 01:13:06,899
And the minute I sat up, I hit
the brakes and saw his truck.

1409
01:13:07,003 --> 01:13:09,799
-
Which way were you going?
- I was coming from the T here.

1410
01:13:09,902 --> 01:13:11,076
This gentleman was doing

1411
01:13:11,179 --> 01:13:13,250
- what he had always done.
- I honestly don't know.

1412
01:13:13,354 --> 01:13:15,839
He turned it
on Autopilot.

1413
01:13:15,943 --> 01:13:20,050
He's on a telephone call
and he drops his phone.

1414
01:13:20,154 --> 01:13:24,676
He goes down fishing for it
as the vehicle is approaching

1415
01:13:24,779 --> 01:13:27,541
the end of this T intersection,

1416
01:13:27,644 --> 01:13:29,888
where there's a flashing
red light and a stop sign,

1417
01:13:29,991 --> 01:13:33,374
all of these things that would
tell a normal attentive driver

1418
01:13:33,478 --> 01:13:36,170
that we're coming
to the end of a road.

1419
01:13:36,273 --> 01:13:39,691
Consistent with what Autopilot
often does, it did nothing.

1420
01:13:39,794 --> 01:13:41,969
It just crapped out
and turned off.

1421
01:13:44,281 --> 01:13:46,491
Is anyone else
in the vehicle with this guy?

1422
01:13:46,594 --> 01:13:47,940
No, just him.

1423
01:13:48,044 --> 01:13:49,701
There's ladies flip flops
under the car.

1424
01:13:51,357 --> 01:13:53,152
There's a pair
of ladies flip flops.

1425
01:13:53,256 --> 01:13:55,465
Please tell me no.
Please tell me it's...

1426
01:13:55,569 --> 01:13:57,502
- Get back.
- Shit, I'm sorry, sir.

1427
01:13:59,987 --> 01:14:01,644
Okay, she's right there.

1428
01:14:01,747 --> 01:14:04,716
She's right there
in the bushes.

1429
01:14:04,819 --> 01:14:06,614
Not breathing right now?

1430
01:14:06,718 --> 01:14:08,236
- Is she breathing?
- No.

1431
01:14:11,274 --> 01:14:13,034
As a result,
a young woman lost her life

1432
01:14:13,138 --> 01:14:16,486
and a young man
was forever injured.

1433
01:14:16,590 --> 01:14:20,456
That's what happens to people
when they rely on Autopilot.

1434
01:14:20,559 --> 01:14:23,010
It tends to work
most of the time,

1435
01:14:23,113 --> 01:14:24,977
so they just expect
that it's gonna work

1436
01:14:25,081 --> 01:14:26,254
all of the time.

1437
01:14:26,358 --> 01:14:28,947
But Tesla's dirty little secret
is that it doesn't.

1438
01:14:31,259 --> 01:14:33,883
As the Benavides case
moved toward trial,

1439
01:14:33,986 --> 01:14:36,989
Tesla kept telling the police
and Brett Schreiber

1440
01:14:37,093 --> 01:14:40,545
that key data about the crash
was impossible to retrieve.

1441
01:14:42,650 --> 01:14:44,410
After a crash,
there's something called

1442
01:14:44,514 --> 01:14:45,653
"an urgent upload."

1443
01:14:45,757 --> 01:14:47,413
The vehicle knows
that it's going to crash,

1444
01:14:47,517 --> 01:14:50,796
and when it does, it gathers
this packet of information.

1445
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:53,937
Then, after the crash,
within moments, the vehicle,

1446
01:14:54,041 --> 01:14:56,353
almost like
your email refreshing,

1447
01:14:56,457 --> 01:14:58,252
checks,
"Do I have cell coverage?

1448
01:14:58,355 --> 01:15:01,186
Do I have cell coverage?
Oh, I do." Beep, beep, beep.

1449
01:15:01,289 --> 01:15:03,602
And then it uploads it
to the mothership.

1450
01:15:06,122 --> 01:15:08,227
When it's received,
there's a line of code

1451
01:15:08,331 --> 01:15:10,954
that says, essentially,
"Transmission successful."

1452
01:15:12,059 --> 01:15:13,888
In this case,
Tesla took the position

1453
01:15:13,992 --> 01:15:16,857
that there was nothing there.

1454
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,206
We ultimately had to find
the Autopilot computer itself.

1455
01:15:21,309 --> 01:15:24,140
Tesla was acting
as if being able to pull data

1456
01:15:24,243 --> 01:15:27,350
off of the Autopilot computer
was insurmountable.

1457
01:15:31,354 --> 01:15:34,081
But an intrepid
Wall Street Journal reporter

1458
01:15:34,184 --> 01:15:38,154
connected us
with a Russian hacker.

1459
01:15:38,257 --> 01:15:40,328
He goes...
"Oh, no, this is no problem.

1460
01:15:40,432 --> 01:15:41,364
This is what I do."

1461
01:15:42,883 --> 01:15:45,264
Three weeks later,
he was on an airplane to Miami.

1462
01:15:45,368 --> 01:15:49,061
We went to a Starbucks.

1463
01:15:49,165 --> 01:15:53,997
On Starbucks Wi-Fi,
within 15 minutes,

1464
01:15:54,101 --> 01:15:58,001
we had the data
of how the crash occurred,

1465
01:15:58,105 --> 01:16:00,866
why it occurred,
and how the system failed.

1466
01:16:00,970 --> 01:16:04,560
And we also had
that line of code which showed,

1467
01:16:04,663 --> 01:16:06,423
"Transmission received."

1468
01:16:08,322 --> 01:16:09,565
Transmission received

1469
01:16:09,668 --> 01:16:12,637
within six minutes
of the crash.

1470
01:16:12,740 --> 01:16:16,399
Tesla already
had all of the data

1471
01:16:16,502 --> 01:16:19,160
about how
and why this crash occurred,

1472
01:16:19,264 --> 01:16:22,301
yet they lied
to homicide investigators,

1473
01:16:22,405 --> 01:16:25,235
to the highway patrol,
to the federal government,

1474
01:16:25,339 --> 01:16:27,962
to the court, and to us.

1475
01:16:30,309 --> 01:16:33,658
You can take their videos
and superimpose the data

1476
01:16:33,761 --> 01:16:35,591
on top of it,

1477
01:16:35,694 --> 01:16:37,903
and now you get
what's called ground truth.

1478
01:16:39,698 --> 01:16:41,113
These vehicles
have GPS location.

1479
01:16:41,217 --> 01:16:43,564
They know where
they are down to the foot.

1480
01:16:43,668 --> 01:16:46,463
It knew that the road ended.

1481
01:16:46,567 --> 01:16:48,845
It saw that
there was a stop line,

1482
01:16:50,157 --> 01:16:53,678
that there was a vehicle
on the other side of the road.

1483
01:16:54,817 --> 01:16:56,232
It saw the pedestrian.

1484
01:16:58,959 --> 01:17:04,447
That photo that the camera
picked up of Naibel Benavides

1485
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:07,415
was the last photograph
that was ever taken of her.

1486
01:17:10,246 --> 01:17:14,664
The vehicle had so many
opportunities to do something,

1487
01:17:15,078 --> 01:17:18,668
to warn, to slow, something.

1488
01:17:19,635 --> 01:17:21,671
But it just shut off.

1489
01:17:25,054 --> 01:17:27,435
So I think we're making
some really good progress

1490
01:17:27,539 --> 01:17:29,472
on the Autopilot side.

1491
01:17:29,575 --> 01:17:30,991
Dozens of clips of Elon

1492
01:17:31,094 --> 01:17:34,788
were introduced at trial
where he is saying things like,

1493
01:17:34,891 --> 01:17:37,342
"Autonomous driving
is a solved problem."

1494
01:17:37,445 --> 01:17:38,930
...essentially a solved problem.

1495
01:17:39,033 --> 01:17:42,865
There's bluster
and bombast and salesmanship.

1496
01:17:42,968 --> 01:17:47,593
And then there's giving vivid,
concrete examples

1497
01:17:47,697 --> 01:17:49,630
of what you believe
the car can do

1498
01:17:49,734 --> 01:17:52,564
when everybody knows it can't.

1499
01:18:12,515 --> 01:18:18,107
♪ I see a red door
And I want it painted black ♪

1500
01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:21,110
When Elon put out
the "Paint It Black" video,

1501
01:18:21,213 --> 01:18:22,732
he knew exactly
what he was doing.

1502
01:18:24,285 --> 01:18:26,702
What they were trying to do
was to overhype the technology,

1503
01:18:26,805 --> 01:18:28,358
overstate it, oversell it.

1504
01:18:29,946 --> 01:18:31,016
But why?

1505
01:18:32,431 --> 01:18:34,882
Two years
after the video was released,

1506
01:18:34,986 --> 01:18:38,644
another Tesla driver was killed
while using Autopilot.

1507
01:18:38,748 --> 01:18:42,096
Tesla settled with the family
for an undisclosed sum,

1508
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,650
which allowed the company
to avoid showing evidence

1509
01:18:44,754 --> 01:18:46,583
of possible wrongdoing.

1510
01:18:46,687 --> 01:18:48,965
But before the case
was settled,

1511
01:18:49,069 --> 01:18:52,003
lawyers questioned
one of Tesla's chief engineers

1512
01:18:52,106 --> 01:18:54,074
about
the "Paint It Black" video.

1513
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,353
You indicated that Elon Musk

1514
01:18:57,456 --> 01:19:00,356
had asked for the video
to be created, right?

1515
01:19:01,909 --> 01:19:03,359
That is my understanding.

1516
01:19:05,913 --> 01:19:07,639
Engineers were told

1517
01:19:07,743 --> 01:19:09,020
that this was
going to be touted

1518
01:19:09,123 --> 01:19:10,918
as some futuristic vision

1519
01:19:11,022 --> 01:19:12,851
of what the technology
could be.

1520
01:19:14,059 --> 01:19:16,165
But this was sold and peddled

1521
01:19:16,268 --> 01:19:19,478
as this is what
the car can do today.

1522
01:19:19,582 --> 01:19:22,896
Does the video
accurately portray

1523
01:19:22,999 --> 01:19:24,932
the performance capabilities

1524
01:19:25,036 --> 01:19:26,796
of the version of Autopilot
that was released

1525
01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:28,487
to the public at the time?

1526
01:19:28,936 --> 01:19:30,904
It does not.

1527
01:19:31,007 --> 01:19:35,011
♪ See a red door
And I want it painted black ♪

1528
01:19:35,115 --> 01:19:36,599
You actually observed

1529
01:19:36,702 --> 01:19:39,740
that there were attempts
where the driver actually

1530
01:19:39,844 --> 01:19:41,604
had to take over
the steering wheel, right?

1531
01:19:41,707 --> 01:19:43,019
Yes.

1532
01:19:43,123 --> 01:19:47,127
♪ If I look hard enough
Into the setting sun... ♪

1533
01:19:47,230 --> 01:19:50,544
Did you ever ride along
in the Tesla vehicle

1534
01:19:50,647 --> 01:19:53,996
for any of the efforts
to create the video footage?

1535
01:19:54,651 --> 01:19:56,170
Yes.

1536
01:19:56,274 --> 01:19:59,864
♪ No more will my green sea
Go turn a deeper blue... ♪

1537
01:19:59,967 --> 01:20:02,004
There were guys
literally in the back

1538
01:20:02,107 --> 01:20:04,420
of the vehicle writing code

1539
01:20:04,523 --> 01:20:08,596
in real time
to try to make the car do things

1540
01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:10,840
that it was
not capable of doing.

1541
01:20:10,944 --> 01:20:13,601
The car couldn't
even read streetlights.

1542
01:20:13,705 --> 01:20:16,501
So at one point, the film team
had to put an engineer

1543
01:20:16,604 --> 01:20:20,160
in the trunk with a video feed
so that he could force the car

1544
01:20:20,263 --> 01:20:23,749
to stop on red and go on green.

1545
01:20:23,853 --> 01:20:28,409
♪ I see people turn their heads
And quickly look away... ♪

1546
01:20:28,513 --> 01:20:31,896
Am I correct
that the Tesla

1547
01:20:31,999 --> 01:20:35,244
that was used
in the video actually crashed?

1548
01:20:36,417 --> 01:20:37,522
Yes.

1549
01:20:37,625 --> 01:20:39,386
Where did it crash?

1550
01:20:39,489 --> 01:20:42,527
Uh, into a fence
inside our parking lot.

1551
01:20:48,188 --> 01:20:51,156
When the "Paint It Black"
video was released,

1552
01:20:51,260 --> 01:20:52,640
there had been a series

1553
01:20:52,744 --> 01:20:58,232
of high-profile accidents
involving people on Autopilot.

1554
01:20:58,336 --> 01:21:03,651
It was important to Elon
that they put something out

1555
01:21:03,755 --> 01:21:05,308
to distract everyone.

1556
01:21:07,932 --> 01:21:09,312
The basic news
is that, uh,

1557
01:21:09,416 --> 01:21:11,797
all Tesla vehicles
exiting the factory

1558
01:21:11,901 --> 01:21:13,351
have hardware capable of...

1559
01:21:13,454 --> 01:21:18,218
of full self-driving
or driverless capability.

1560
01:21:20,427 --> 01:21:23,775
At a certain point,
it's not an accident anymore.

1561
01:21:23,879 --> 01:21:25,984
It's not a mistake.
It's a choice.

1562
01:21:28,228 --> 01:21:31,645
The choice was Elon's,
and it was a business decision.

1563
01:21:33,889 --> 01:21:38,307
To save money, Musk decided not
to include critical sensors

1564
01:21:38,410 --> 01:21:40,999
and rely mostly on cameras.

1565
01:21:46,694 --> 01:21:49,870
He was especially
resistant to using LiDAR,

1566
01:21:49,974 --> 01:21:51,354
which bounces light at objects

1567
01:21:51,458 --> 01:21:54,979
to make very accurate 3D maps
in real time.

1568
01:21:55,082 --> 01:21:58,154
The Waymo system designed
by Google uses LiDAR

1569
01:21:58,258 --> 01:22:00,916
and radar
in addition to cameras.

1570
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,849
LiDAR is a fool's errand.

1571
01:22:03,953 --> 01:22:07,750
It's expensive and unnecessary,
and once you solve vision,

1572
01:22:07,853 --> 01:22:09,303
it's worthless.

1573
01:22:11,892 --> 01:22:15,102
What are the road networks
designed to work with?

1574
01:22:15,206 --> 01:22:17,622
They're designed to work
with a biological neural net,

1575
01:22:17,725 --> 01:22:21,729
our brains,
and with vision, our eyes.

1576
01:22:22,316 --> 01:22:24,905
We need cameras
and silicon neural nets

1577
01:22:25,009 --> 01:22:26,493
to have self-driving work

1578
01:22:26,596 --> 01:22:29,220
for a system
that was designed for eyes

1579
01:22:29,323 --> 01:22:31,256
and biological neural nets.

1580
01:22:34,190 --> 01:22:36,054
The problem
is that cameras aren't as good

1581
01:22:36,158 --> 01:22:37,400
as eyes when it comes

1582
01:22:37,504 --> 01:22:40,714
to mapping chaotic situations
on real roads.

1583
01:22:40,817 --> 01:22:43,406
But to fetch a high price
in the stock market.

1584
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:46,685
Musk needed to sell Tesla
as a tech company

1585
01:22:46,789 --> 01:22:48,929
and his vehicles as robo cars.

1586
01:22:54,521 --> 01:22:57,938
Over time,
cameras feeding AI systems

1587
01:22:58,042 --> 01:23:00,665
might create really safe cars.

1588
01:23:00,768 --> 01:23:03,185
The moral problem comes
from telling people

1589
01:23:03,288 --> 01:23:04,980
that an imaginary future

1590
01:23:05,083 --> 01:23:08,707
has already arrived
when you know it hasn't.

1591
01:23:17,993 --> 01:23:19,270
In the grand scheme of things,

1592
01:23:19,373 --> 01:23:21,617
what is
the morally right decision?

1593
01:23:22,825 --> 01:23:25,000
Even if you save 90 percent

1594
01:23:25,103 --> 01:23:28,210
of the people
that would otherwise have died,

1595
01:23:28,313 --> 01:23:30,902
the remaining ten percent
who did die will still sue you.

1596
01:23:32,593 --> 01:23:35,355
I am a strong believer
in doing the reality of good

1597
01:23:35,458 --> 01:23:37,564
over the perception of good,

1598
01:23:37,667 --> 01:23:39,635
and I have utter contempt
for those who prefer

1599
01:23:39,738 --> 01:23:42,603
the perception of good
over the reality of it.

1600
01:23:44,398 --> 01:23:45,848
Despite his understanding

1601
01:23:45,951 --> 01:23:47,574
of the present-day dangers,

1602
01:23:47,677 --> 01:23:50,611
Musk was betting everything
on Full Self-Driving.

1603
01:23:51,647 --> 01:23:52,648
I wondered why.

1604
01:23:54,374 --> 01:23:57,687
Maybe it wasn't about
the driving, but the data.

1605
01:24:03,141 --> 01:24:06,972
With cameras and microphones
inside and outside his cars,

1606
01:24:07,076 --> 01:24:11,356
Musk would be collecting data
to feed his AI ambitions,

1607
01:24:11,460 --> 01:24:13,738
which were growing larger
every day.

1608
01:24:25,405 --> 01:24:29,512
In 2016, Musk started
a company called Neuralink.

1609
01:24:29,616 --> 01:24:32,929
On its face, it was designed
to connect human brains

1610
01:24:33,033 --> 01:24:35,380
to computers
to help the disabled.

1611
01:24:35,484 --> 01:24:38,797
An early experiment allowed
a macaque to playPong.

1612
01:24:41,283 --> 01:24:45,183
To help run Neuralink,
Musk tapped Shivon Zilis.

1613
01:24:45,287 --> 01:24:47,082
She had worked on AI at Tesla

1614
01:24:47,185 --> 01:24:49,429
and then on the board
of OpenAI.

1615
01:24:49,808 --> 01:24:51,258
Now at Neuralink,

1616
01:24:51,362 --> 01:24:55,400
she was charged with making
Elon's dreams come true.

1617
01:24:55,504 --> 01:24:57,885
The long-term aspiration
with Neuralink would be

1618
01:24:57,989 --> 01:25:01,234
to achieve a symbiosis
with artificial intelligence.

1619
01:25:01,337 --> 01:25:03,374
Think of it
like a Fitbit in your skull.

1620
01:25:03,477 --> 01:25:05,203
So we take out
a section of skull,

1621
01:25:05,307 --> 01:25:07,688
we replace that with the chip,

1622
01:25:07,792 --> 01:25:10,588
inductive charger,
and Bluetooth antenna.

1623
01:25:10,691 --> 01:25:12,797
And it's really almost
quite literally like

1624
01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:14,488
a Fitbit in your skull.

1625
01:25:15,696 --> 01:25:17,491
People may decide

1626
01:25:17,595 --> 01:25:19,597
that they want to retain
their biological self or not.

1627
01:25:41,136 --> 01:25:43,068
We are fundamentally different

1628
01:25:43,172 --> 01:25:45,105
from previous--
from Homo sapiens.

1629
01:25:45,209 --> 01:25:46,417
I call us Homo techno.

1630
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,453
I think we have evolved
into Homo techno,

1631
01:25:48,557 --> 01:25:50,766
which is like
essentially a new species.

1632
01:25:51,939 --> 01:25:55,288
In 2018,
Elon met Grimes on Twitter.

1633
01:25:55,391 --> 01:25:56,496
Their romance was sparked

1634
01:25:56,599 --> 01:25:59,257
by puns and banter
over Roko's Basilisk,

1635
01:25:59,361 --> 01:26:01,949
a thought experiment
that AI will torment

1636
01:26:02,053 --> 01:26:03,054
those who oppose it.

1637
01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:05,953
An idea that Grimes
made into a song.

1638
01:26:25,456 --> 01:26:27,389
The single most important thing

1639
01:26:27,492 --> 01:26:30,150
is to make sure that this spark

1640
01:26:30,254 --> 01:26:31,600
that exists
here on planet Earth

1641
01:26:32,359 --> 01:26:33,636
gets to be elsewhere.

1642
01:26:33,740 --> 01:26:36,087
And I don't even really care
if it's biological life

1643
01:26:36,191 --> 01:26:38,503
or silicon-based life
that goes out there.

1644
01:26:38,607 --> 01:26:41,437
I think that's just as good.
I just...

1645
01:26:42,473 --> 01:26:45,441
I think the universe
is empty and quiet,

1646
01:26:45,545 --> 01:26:46,960
and it wants to be woken up

1647
01:26:47,063 --> 01:26:48,996
and filled
with beautiful things.

1648
01:26:53,863 --> 01:26:56,349
I think having kids
just inherently makes you want

1649
01:26:56,452 --> 01:26:58,282
to be an optimist so bad.

1650
01:26:58,385 --> 01:27:00,801
It just makes me want
to imagine amazing futures

1651
01:27:00,905 --> 01:27:03,804
that, like, maybe I won't
be able to build,

1652
01:27:03,908 --> 01:27:07,222
but they will be able
to build if they want to.

1653
01:27:07,325 --> 01:27:09,396
Having a kid
is a vote for the future.

1654
01:27:09,983 --> 01:27:11,122
If you intend to have a child,

1655
01:27:11,226 --> 01:27:13,089
like, that means
you care about the future.

1656
01:27:22,582 --> 01:27:24,963
- Aw.
- Hello.

1657
01:27:26,482 --> 01:27:28,001
This is your dad speaking.

1658
01:27:28,898 --> 01:27:30,210
Hello.

1659
01:27:30,314 --> 01:27:32,488
Hello, baby. Hello, baby X.

1660
01:27:34,697 --> 01:27:37,562
Musk and Grimes
had three kids together.

1661
01:27:37,666 --> 01:27:40,772
Grimes put her career on hold
to raise them.

1662
01:27:42,533 --> 01:27:44,880
While he and Grimes
were having their second child

1663
01:27:44,983 --> 01:27:46,571
using a surrogate mother,

1664
01:27:46,675 --> 01:27:50,506
Musk offered to be
a sperm donor for Shivon Zilis.

1665
01:27:52,336 --> 01:27:54,165
Zilis was friends with Grimes,

1666
01:27:54,269 --> 01:27:57,824
but neither she nor Elon
told Grimes about their plans.

1667
01:28:00,861 --> 01:28:03,519
While Zilis was in the hospital
with complications

1668
01:28:03,623 --> 01:28:07,868
at the end of her pregnancy,
Grimes was just down the hall

1669
01:28:07,972 --> 01:28:10,906
with a surrogate
who was carrying her child.

1670
01:28:11,009 --> 01:28:14,565
Grimes had no idea
that Zilis was even there,

1671
01:28:14,668 --> 01:28:16,601
or about to give birth
to twins,

1672
01:28:16,705 --> 01:28:19,501
let alone
that Elon was the father.

1673
01:28:22,020 --> 01:28:23,574
What was Elon thinking?

1674
01:28:23,677 --> 01:28:26,370
And what was up
with all these kids?

1675
01:28:26,473 --> 01:28:28,164
If people
don't have more children,

1676
01:28:28,268 --> 01:28:29,925
civilization
is going to crumble.

1677
01:28:31,064 --> 01:28:32,203
Mark my words.

1678
01:28:35,793 --> 01:28:37,588
There are not enough people.

1679
01:28:40,591 --> 01:28:42,006
I'm trying
to set a good example.

1680
01:29:00,576 --> 01:29:03,372
It's very difficult
to see the architecture

1681
01:29:03,476 --> 01:29:07,514
of Elon's world
when you're dropped in.

1682
01:29:09,758 --> 01:29:12,208
You see just enough
that you think you're seeing

1683
01:29:12,312 --> 01:29:13,762
the whole picture,

1684
01:29:13,865 --> 01:29:16,730
um, and you don't ask
any other questions.

1685
01:29:19,733 --> 01:29:22,736
When Elon started interacting
with me on Twitter,

1686
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,911
I was a conservative
influencer.

1687
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:30,606
He was responding
to my posts frequently.

1688
01:29:33,264 --> 01:29:37,406
One day he responded
to one of my Mother's Day posts

1689
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:39,615
that I should
have more children.

1690
01:29:41,065 --> 01:29:46,346
And then he texted me,
"Feel like going to Providence?"

1691
01:29:49,901 --> 01:29:51,075
And I said yes.

1692
01:29:52,697 --> 01:29:55,666
All of a sudden
I'm on this big private jet

1693
01:29:55,769 --> 01:29:58,772
with this
larger-than-life figure.

1694
01:30:00,429 --> 01:30:03,605
He was very intelligent
and down to earth.

1695
01:30:03,708 --> 01:30:05,779
And he was respectful.

1696
01:30:07,781 --> 01:30:11,613
But it was definitely strange.

1697
01:30:13,684 --> 01:30:16,583
We were in this hotel,
and I'm falling asleep with him

1698
01:30:16,687 --> 01:30:19,621
while he's listening
to an audiobook or a podcast

1699
01:30:19,724 --> 01:30:20,932
about Kublai Khan.

1700
01:30:21,036 --> 01:30:24,177
I just was sitting there like,
am I dreaming?

1701
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:25,592
You know,
is this really

1702
01:30:25,696 --> 01:30:26,938
what he's going to sleep to?

1703
01:30:27,042 --> 01:30:28,975
Kublai Khan also
had a lot of kids as I recall?

1704
01:30:29,078 --> 01:30:31,667
He sure did.
Yeah, he's related to Genghis.

1705
01:30:36,223 --> 01:30:38,743
When we first started seeing
each other,

1706
01:30:38,847 --> 01:30:41,194
he was always talking
about his other kids

1707
01:30:41,297 --> 01:30:46,717
and really bolstering up
this "I'm a good dad" image.

1708
01:30:48,132 --> 01:30:52,447
The story I got
was that things were amicable

1709
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:54,794
with Claire and that, you know,

1710
01:30:54,897 --> 01:30:56,485
Shivon, it was just platonic

1711
01:30:56,589 --> 01:30:59,557
and they just
have kids together.

1712
01:31:01,007 --> 01:31:03,699
He was always saying,
"We should have a kid,

1713
01:31:03,803 --> 01:31:05,390
you should have
so many more kids,

1714
01:31:05,494 --> 01:31:06,944
you should have ten kids."

1715
01:31:09,015 --> 01:31:13,744
Eventually, I was like, "Well,
what does that look like?"

1716
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:21,924
When we decided
to have Romulus,

1717
01:31:22,028 --> 01:31:25,652
I was at his house
and I was just upset

1718
01:31:25,756 --> 01:31:29,760
about the possibility
of this all blowing up

1719
01:31:29,863 --> 01:31:34,281
and only being seen
as Elon Musk's baby mama.

1720
01:31:34,385 --> 01:31:37,664
And he was very kind about it.

1721
01:31:37,768 --> 01:31:42,255
But the moment
I had our kid that was all gone.

1722
01:31:45,707 --> 01:31:46,846
For certain men,

1723
01:31:46,949 --> 01:31:50,125
passing on their genes
is a numbers game.

1724
01:31:51,264 --> 01:31:52,714
To help him play that game,

1725
01:31:52,817 --> 01:31:55,786
Musk engages the services
of Jared Birchall,

1726
01:31:55,889 --> 01:31:58,202
a Mormon who has
five children of his own

1727
01:31:58,305 --> 01:32:00,963
and is head
of the Musk Family Foundation.

1728
01:32:01,757 --> 01:32:03,966
Birchall is Musk's fixer.

1729
01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:07,038
He manages his personal
finances and hires bodyguards

1730
01:32:07,142 --> 01:32:09,627
and private eyes.

1731
01:32:09,731 --> 01:32:11,664
Generally speaking,
what is the role

1732
01:32:11,767 --> 01:32:14,667
that Jared Birchall plays
for Elon Musk?

1733
01:32:15,357 --> 01:32:16,565
Henchman.

1734
01:32:18,015 --> 01:32:19,050
Demon.

1735
01:32:24,055 --> 01:32:26,851
Elon would connect us

1736
01:32:26,955 --> 01:32:30,993
to discuss certain areas
of concern.

1737
01:32:33,996 --> 01:32:35,515
Hey, how you doing?

1738
01:32:35,619 --> 01:32:37,206
I'm fine, how are you?

1739
01:32:38,207 --> 01:32:39,346
Pretty good.

1740
01:32:40,796 --> 01:32:43,765
He was responsible
for the disbursement

1741
01:32:43,868 --> 01:32:46,008
of all the funds
and all the money.

1742
01:32:46,112 --> 01:32:50,081
This will come
with a basic agreement

1743
01:32:50,185 --> 01:32:51,151
that basically says,

1744
01:32:51,255 --> 01:32:53,188
"I understand
that I'm accepting this money

1745
01:32:53,291 --> 01:32:55,742
and that it's to be used
for these purposes.

1746
01:32:55,846 --> 01:32:58,020
And I understand
that confidentiality

1747
01:32:58,124 --> 01:33:01,541
and privacy is very important
to the father."

1748
01:33:01,645 --> 01:33:02,715
Basically just that...

1749
01:33:02,818 --> 01:33:04,613
So an NDA as well?

1750
01:33:06,684 --> 01:33:08,755
Uh, yeah.

1751
01:33:09,929 --> 01:33:12,103
The NDA that
they had provided me

1752
01:33:12,207 --> 01:33:14,554
was labeled
as a child support agreement.

1753
01:33:19,697 --> 01:33:21,319
It was a lump sum of 15 million

1754
01:33:21,423 --> 01:33:24,668
and then 100,000 dollars
a month for 21 years.

1755
01:33:28,395 --> 01:33:31,744
Did the other mothers sign one?

1756
01:33:32,710 --> 01:33:34,505
Did they--
Yeah, absolutely.

1757
01:33:34,609 --> 01:33:36,990
Well, they don't seem
too happy, do they?

1758
01:33:37,094 --> 01:33:43,928
Um, I mean, I don't think
a drugged-out musician

1759
01:33:44,032 --> 01:33:46,137
is ever going
to find true happiness.

1760
01:33:46,241 --> 01:33:52,627
And, uh, I think Shivon goes in
and out of finding contentment.

1761
01:33:53,973 --> 01:33:57,286
Jared was very adversarial.

1762
01:33:57,390 --> 01:34:01,739
I don't know how
to characterize someone who...

1763
01:34:04,673 --> 01:34:06,502
degrades and...

1764
01:34:08,366 --> 01:34:13,371
...borderline threatens a woman
who's freshly postpartum.

1765
01:34:14,787 --> 01:34:17,030
Elon is a very big-hearted,

1766
01:34:17,134 --> 01:34:19,239
kind, and generous person.

1767
01:34:19,343 --> 01:34:21,897
But when a mother
of his children,

1768
01:34:22,001 --> 01:34:23,485
or a woman in general

1769
01:34:23,588 --> 01:34:25,936
who he trusted and/or,

1770
01:34:26,039 --> 01:34:27,351
you know,
had a relationship with,

1771
01:34:27,454 --> 01:34:31,044
decides that they're gonna go
the legal route, that always...

1772
01:34:31,148 --> 01:34:33,564
- always leads
to a worse outcome...
- Yeah.

1773
01:34:33,668 --> 01:34:36,878
...for that woman than what
it would have been otherwise.

1774
01:34:41,330 --> 01:34:43,712
What-- You know,
what did you opt into?

1775
01:34:43,816 --> 01:34:45,714
Were you opting
into a retirement plan

1776
01:34:45,818 --> 01:34:47,682
or were you opting
into a child?

1777
01:34:47,785 --> 01:34:49,994
- Being a mom.
- And...

1778
01:34:50,098 --> 01:34:52,203
- What's that?
- Being a mom.

1779
01:34:55,586 --> 01:34:58,693
I was covering Elon Musk
forThe Wall Street Journal

1780
01:34:58,796 --> 01:35:00,902
when I started speaking
with Ashley.

1781
01:35:01,903 --> 01:35:03,767
It was very clear
from the phone call

1782
01:35:03,870 --> 01:35:06,666
and some of the corresponding
text messages that...

1783
01:35:06,770 --> 01:35:08,910
they had a system in place.

1784
01:35:10,428 --> 01:35:13,500
Under this NDA
that she's told to sign...

1785
01:35:15,054 --> 01:35:18,160
she would not be able to reveal
the paternity of this child

1786
01:35:18,264 --> 01:35:20,715
to anyone
other than that child.

1787
01:35:23,890 --> 01:35:27,273
She didn't feel like that was
a bargain she wanted to take.

1788
01:35:30,414 --> 01:35:32,934
I told him I cannot,
in good conscience,

1789
01:35:33,037 --> 01:35:35,005
sign that document.

1790
01:35:38,802 --> 01:35:41,183
She came out
with a tweet saying

1791
01:35:41,287 --> 01:35:44,324
that she had mothered one
of his children.

1792
01:35:44,428 --> 01:35:47,258
And that's when he really
began distancing himself

1793
01:35:47,362 --> 01:35:49,882
and even casting doubt
as to whether he was the father.

1794
01:35:54,265 --> 01:35:56,889
It was very jarring how

1795
01:35:56,992 --> 01:36:00,962
immense the backlash
was on Twitter.

1796
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:03,619
After she put out the tweet

1797
01:36:03,723 --> 01:36:05,207
announcing that the baby
was Elon's,

1798
01:36:05,311 --> 01:36:08,970
Elon revoked
the 15-million-dollar payment

1799
01:36:09,073 --> 01:36:12,628
and he reduced her stipend
from 100,000 dollars a month

1800
01:36:12,732 --> 01:36:14,354
to 40,000 dollars a month.

1801
01:36:14,458 --> 01:36:17,461
And then he halved
the payment again.

1802
01:36:18,565 --> 01:36:21,430
This was financial retaliation
for speaking out.

1803
01:36:25,331 --> 01:36:28,437
It was almost
as if he didn't show

1804
01:36:28,541 --> 01:36:35,790
a certain side of himself
until after I had our baby.

1805
01:36:35,928 --> 01:36:38,896
I was also getting messages
from other young girls

1806
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,934
that Elon was DMing
offering them children.

1807
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:45,558
An influencer
by the name of Tiffany Fong

1808
01:36:45,661 --> 01:36:50,701
called me and she said,
"Elon offered me a baby."

1809
01:36:53,635 --> 01:36:56,362
There was a woman in Japan
who just wanted

1810
01:36:56,465 --> 01:37:01,367
basically sperm donation
that he had obliged.

1811
01:37:01,470 --> 01:37:04,957
It's like a Gatling gun of sperm
in his DMs.

1812
01:37:08,201 --> 01:37:09,582
As I was reporting
out this story, I learned

1813
01:37:09,685 --> 01:37:13,206
that this is pretty standard
operating procedure for Elon.

1814
01:37:13,310 --> 01:37:15,830
He's a pronatalist that wants
to increase the number

1815
01:37:15,933 --> 01:37:18,004
of educated babies
on this earth.

1816
01:37:19,385 --> 01:37:22,146
Elon calls his children
his "legion of children,"

1817
01:37:22,250 --> 01:37:24,562
which is pretty telling 'cause
when you think of legions,

1818
01:37:24,666 --> 01:37:26,841
you think of, you know,
thousands of soldiers

1819
01:37:26,944 --> 01:37:29,291
in ancient Rome
helping to expand the empire.

1820
01:37:31,466 --> 01:37:35,297
He told me that
he wanted to use surrogates

1821
01:37:35,401 --> 01:37:38,231
because it was the only way
we could create

1822
01:37:38,335 --> 01:37:42,373
a legion of children
before the civil war.

1823
01:37:45,652 --> 01:37:49,104
Jared Birchall
even procured land for Elon

1824
01:37:49,208 --> 01:37:51,072
for this compound
he has in Austin

1825
01:37:51,175 --> 01:37:54,282
for all of Elon's children
and their mothers.

1826
01:37:54,385 --> 01:37:57,009
There's 14
that are publicly known,

1827
01:37:57,112 --> 01:37:59,080
but people around Elon
told us that they believe

1828
01:37:59,183 --> 01:38:00,322
that there's many more.

1829
01:38:03,463 --> 01:38:05,949
I always felt like we're
pretty much interchangeable,

1830
01:38:06,052 --> 01:38:08,123
you know, in this story.

1831
01:38:08,917 --> 01:38:10,401
We, meaning who?

1832
01:38:10,505 --> 01:38:11,678
Uh, the...

1833
01:38:13,611 --> 01:38:14,992
the breeders.

1834
01:38:15,096 --> 01:38:18,064
Somebody on Elon's side referred
to us as "the breeders."

1835
01:38:18,168 --> 01:38:21,343
And there's a playbook,
you know, it's, uh...

1836
01:38:22,862 --> 01:38:24,139
kind of like an assembly line
by now.

1837
01:38:24,243 --> 01:38:25,692
Oh, this is what you do
on Valentine's Day

1838
01:38:25,796 --> 01:38:27,073
and this is, you know...

1839
01:38:27,625 --> 01:38:28,419
breeders.

1840
01:38:30,594 --> 01:38:33,217
...engaged after, I think,
sort of two weeks

1841
01:38:33,321 --> 01:38:35,495
of knowing each other,
and I was 22 and it was...

1842
01:38:35,599 --> 01:38:37,842
The obsession
with procreation,

1843
01:38:37,946 --> 01:38:40,362
it's just strange.

1844
01:38:40,466 --> 01:38:43,779
It's like,
"I have superior genes

1845
01:38:43,883 --> 01:38:46,679
and therefore need
to procreate."

1846
01:38:50,131 --> 01:38:51,960
It must be from his father
or something,

1847
01:38:52,064 --> 01:38:54,859
but it takes on
a much more dark,

1848
01:38:54,963 --> 01:38:57,552
sinister feel to it.

1849
01:39:00,589 --> 01:39:02,246
He wouldn't talk
about his childhood

1850
01:39:02,350 --> 01:39:05,042
in a way
that was really emotional.

1851
01:39:05,146 --> 01:39:07,389
He would try to keep it light.

1852
01:39:07,493 --> 01:39:09,184
But you got the feeling
that his mind

1853
01:39:09,288 --> 01:39:11,014
was a dangerous neighborhood.

1854
01:39:23,543 --> 01:39:26,581
South Africa,
where the forces of White rule

1855
01:39:26,684 --> 01:39:30,585
and Black revolt engage
in a struggle for control.

1856
01:39:37,143 --> 01:39:38,524
South Africa
when I was growing up

1857
01:39:38,627 --> 01:39:41,354
was just an inherently
very violent place.

1858
01:39:44,150 --> 01:39:46,221
I got punched in the face
many times.

1859
01:39:47,153 --> 01:39:48,154
It's funny that people think

1860
01:39:48,258 --> 01:39:50,191
that they're so sensitive
to words.

1861
01:39:50,294 --> 01:39:53,228
It's like, man, if you've ever
been punched in the face,

1862
01:39:53,332 --> 01:39:54,712
words don't mean nothing.

1863
01:39:57,715 --> 01:39:59,648
One of the things
I remember him telling me

1864
01:39:59,752 --> 01:40:01,029
was in South Africa,

1865
01:40:01,133 --> 01:40:02,962
he had this habit
of jerking awake

1866
01:40:03,066 --> 01:40:04,343
because he was afraid

1867
01:40:04,446 --> 01:40:08,209
that something terrible
was going to happen to him,

1868
01:40:08,312 --> 01:40:10,245
something violent.

1869
01:40:10,349 --> 01:40:12,868
And so I think, you know,
he learned early on

1870
01:40:12,972 --> 01:40:14,353
that he always had to be...

1871
01:40:15,181 --> 01:40:17,114
you know, ready for war.

1872
01:40:20,911 --> 01:40:26,227
Life is a struggle,
and you have to know that.

1873
01:40:27,297 --> 01:40:29,230
If you're told
it's a birthday party

1874
01:40:29,333 --> 01:40:32,578
from start to finish,
you're being misled.

1875
01:40:34,442 --> 01:40:37,997
One evening, my daughter said
she wants to take a bath.

1876
01:40:38,101 --> 01:40:39,930
I ran this bath for her.

1877
01:40:40,034 --> 01:40:41,173
I heard a noise.

1878
01:40:41,276 --> 01:40:43,899
There were a group of Black men
in the house.

1879
01:40:44,003 --> 01:40:45,384
I just saw an arm coming up.

1880
01:40:45,487 --> 01:40:47,041
I thought he was gonna
shake hands or something.

1881
01:40:47,144 --> 01:40:48,939
But then suddenly I saw the gun.

1882
01:40:49,043 --> 01:40:51,528
I carry a .357 Magnum

1883
01:40:51,631 --> 01:40:54,841
and as they came down
the passage, I was able to...

1884
01:40:54,945 --> 01:40:56,533
you know, return fire.

1885
01:40:56,636 --> 01:40:59,777
So you were able
to kill all three of the men?

1886
01:40:59,881 --> 01:41:01,089
Yes.

1887
01:41:03,505 --> 01:41:06,198
I took my six-year-old daughter
with me and then we jumped

1888
01:41:06,301 --> 01:41:08,338
out of that window
into the garden.

1889
01:41:09,787 --> 01:41:12,411
But the entire floor
was covered in blood

1890
01:41:12,514 --> 01:41:14,102
and different colors of blood,

1891
01:41:14,206 --> 01:41:17,588
bright red, dark red,
average red.

1892
01:41:17,692 --> 01:41:19,590
You couldn't--
It was like a swimming pool.

1893
01:41:22,904 --> 01:41:26,494
I understood Elon
better, I think,

1894
01:41:26,597 --> 01:41:29,152
in some ways,
when I met his father.

1895
01:41:31,188 --> 01:41:32,534
They both used
the same language

1896
01:41:32,638 --> 01:41:34,088
when they were
insulting each other

1897
01:41:34,191 --> 01:41:35,744
or insulting you as a woman.

1898
01:41:37,021 --> 01:41:38,092
When I was married,

1899
01:41:38,195 --> 01:41:40,370
I was told
about three times a day

1900
01:41:40,473 --> 01:41:45,685
that I'm boring and stupid
and, you know... and ugly.

1901
01:41:45,789 --> 01:41:49,206
And if I protested,
then I got beaten up.

1902
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:54,349
After Maye and I split up,

1903
01:41:54,453 --> 01:41:56,110
the boys lived with me.

1904
01:41:57,939 --> 01:42:00,769
Elon learned to read
at quite a young age.

1905
01:42:00,873 --> 01:42:06,120
And he would read intensely,
even if it was comic books.

1906
01:42:06,223 --> 01:42:07,569
We were driving back
from the bush,

1907
01:42:07,673 --> 01:42:10,089
what we call the bush,
we had a place there.

1908
01:42:10,193 --> 01:42:12,298
And the man
with me dropped dead.

1909
01:42:12,402 --> 01:42:15,059
He fell over dead
next to Elon.

1910
01:42:15,163 --> 01:42:18,062
And we all stopped
and, you know,

1911
01:42:18,166 --> 01:42:19,995
we tried to resuscitate the man,

1912
01:42:20,099 --> 01:42:21,514
he was a wonderful friend
of ours.

1913
01:42:21,618 --> 01:42:23,447
And unfortunately, we couldn't.

1914
01:42:23,551 --> 01:42:25,932
And during that whole time,
Elon read a comic book.

1915
01:42:26,864 --> 01:42:28,038
He didn't stop.

1916
01:42:28,142 --> 01:42:30,316
He just kept on reading
the comic book.

1917
01:42:33,077 --> 01:42:34,734
I was very, very bookish.

1918
01:42:34,838 --> 01:42:36,598
I was either working
on my computer,

1919
01:42:36,702 --> 01:42:40,361
playingDungeons and Dragons,
reading comics all the time.

1920
01:42:46,919 --> 01:42:49,335
I don't think you'd
necessarily want to be me.

1921
01:42:50,440 --> 01:42:52,994
It's like
a never-ending explosion.

1922
01:42:53,650 --> 01:42:56,170
When I was, I don't know,
five or six or something,

1923
01:42:56,273 --> 01:42:58,862
I thought I was insane
because it was clear

1924
01:42:58,965 --> 01:43:00,277
that other people did not...

1925
01:43:00,381 --> 01:43:02,486
their mind wasn't exploding
with ideas.

1926
01:43:05,938 --> 01:43:08,734
Social cues were not intuitive.

1927
01:43:08,837 --> 01:43:11,254
I was, you know,
bullied quite a lot.

1928
01:43:14,429 --> 01:43:16,293
I was sitting next to Elon,

1929
01:43:16,397 --> 01:43:18,468
four or five guys
come up to him

1930
01:43:18,571 --> 01:43:22,196
and they just start
beating him senseless.

1931
01:43:23,300 --> 01:43:27,201
My brother's face
was unrecognizable.

1932
01:43:28,857 --> 01:43:31,722
Elon was in
the hospital for almost a week.

1933
01:43:32,413 --> 01:43:34,380
When he came home,

1934
01:43:34,484 --> 01:43:38,004
his father berated him
for more than an hour

1935
01:43:38,108 --> 01:43:39,351
and said he was stupid

1936
01:43:39,454 --> 01:43:42,906
and took the side of the person
who had beaten him.

1937
01:43:45,184 --> 01:43:46,772
So apparently the boy's father

1938
01:43:46,875 --> 01:43:48,014
had committed suicide.

1939
01:43:48,808 --> 01:43:50,051
Elon heard about it

1940
01:43:50,154 --> 01:43:52,467
and Elon said,
"Well, I think your father
was stupid to do that,"

1941
01:43:52,571 --> 01:43:55,677
which this boy took
in a very bad way

1942
01:43:55,781 --> 01:43:58,749
and then pushed Elon down
a flight of stairs.

1943
01:43:59,923 --> 01:44:05,342
I may have said to him,
"Elon, don't be stupid,"

1944
01:44:05,446 --> 01:44:09,450
but I never raised a hand
to any of my children, ever.

1945
01:44:11,659 --> 01:44:13,730
I mean,
we lived in torture.

1946
01:44:13,833 --> 01:44:17,251
My dad would make up things
that were not real

1947
01:44:17,354 --> 01:44:18,942
and then you'd spend
three hours listening

1948
01:44:19,045 --> 01:44:20,875
and then you'd sort of,

1949
01:44:20,978 --> 01:44:23,843
"Maybe he's right,
maybe that is true."

1950
01:44:28,883 --> 01:44:31,126
To me,
Elon is just like me

1951
01:44:31,230 --> 01:44:34,337
and I give this
as soberly as I can.

1952
01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:38,375
Do not bet against Elon.

1953
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:40,515
You are going to lose.

1954
01:44:51,733 --> 01:44:55,461
In 2018, most people
were betting for Elon

1955
01:44:55,565 --> 01:44:57,429
as he gambled everything
on the success

1956
01:44:57,532 --> 01:45:00,570
of his first mass market car,
the Model 3.

1957
01:45:00,673 --> 01:45:01,812
The major challenge for us

1958
01:45:01,916 --> 01:45:04,470
over the next
six to nine months is,

1959
01:45:04,574 --> 01:45:06,748
how do we build
a huge number of cars?

1960
01:45:06,852 --> 01:45:08,819
And frankly, we're going to be
in production hell.

1961
01:45:10,131 --> 01:45:11,960
Welcome, welcome.

1962
01:45:13,376 --> 01:45:14,515
As the saying goes,

1963
01:45:14,618 --> 01:45:17,172
"If you're going through hell,
keep going."

1964
01:45:26,561 --> 01:45:27,700
For the gamble to pay off,

1965
01:45:27,804 --> 01:45:30,289
Musk needed money, and fast.

1966
01:45:30,393 --> 01:45:32,049
Tesla was drowning in debt

1967
01:45:32,153 --> 01:45:33,982
and a month away
from bankruptcy,

1968
01:45:34,328 --> 01:45:37,123
so the only place to get cash
was the stock market.

1969
01:45:37,227 --> 01:45:42,197
To keep the stock price high,
Musk had to promise a miracle.

1970
01:45:42,301 --> 01:45:43,682
This whole thing
that you see here

1971
01:45:43,785 --> 01:45:46,823
was a pretty miraculous effort
by the team to create

1972
01:45:46,926 --> 01:45:50,413
a general assembly line
out of nothing in three weeks.

1973
01:45:50,999 --> 01:45:53,243
But the assembly line
was breaking down,

1974
01:45:53,347 --> 01:45:56,695
with shocking numbers
of defects.

1975
01:45:56,798 --> 01:45:59,422
Critics wondered if Musk,
in his desperation,

1976
01:45:59,525 --> 01:46:02,804
was lying about
what Tesla could deliver.

1977
01:46:03,253 --> 01:46:05,945
Thanks for doing this.
We really, really appreciate it.

1978
01:46:06,049 --> 01:46:07,326
Um, no problem.

1979
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:08,914
I might occasionally
need to just stop

1980
01:46:09,017 --> 01:46:12,573
and check for any emergencies
coming through.

1981
01:46:17,681 --> 01:46:19,614
I got "Boléro" stuck in my head.

1982
01:46:20,028 --> 01:46:21,305
- What do you got--
- Sorry?

1983
01:46:21,409 --> 01:46:23,825
- What's that?
- I have "Boléro"
stuck in my head.

1984
01:46:26,103 --> 01:46:30,107
It seems like this year's been
the toughest year for you. Why?

1985
01:46:31,385 --> 01:46:32,834
Uh...

1986
01:46:33,248 --> 01:46:37,391
Well, I mean, Tesla really faced
a severe threat of death

1987
01:46:37,494 --> 01:46:40,255
due to the Model 3
production ramp.

1988
01:46:40,704 --> 01:46:44,708
If we didn't solve these
problems in a very short period
of time, we were dying.

1989
01:46:48,643 --> 01:46:50,680
In addition
to writing about Tesla,

1990
01:46:50,783 --> 01:46:54,131
did you ultimately become
a short seller on Tesla?

1991
01:46:54,235 --> 01:46:56,720
Yeah, I did also become short.

1992
01:46:56,824 --> 01:46:59,309
I felt like, if I'm gonna
write about Tesla,

1993
01:46:59,413 --> 01:47:00,862
I should take a position.

1994
01:47:00,966 --> 01:47:02,830
And I'm by no means
a professional short seller.

1995
01:47:02,933 --> 01:47:04,970
My position
was too tiny to matter.

1996
01:47:05,073 --> 01:47:07,282
But the real professional
short sellers

1997
01:47:07,386 --> 01:47:09,457
perform a valuable
service, I think,

1998
01:47:09,561 --> 01:47:11,528
in the market
in uncovering frauds.

1999
01:47:11,632 --> 01:47:13,772
For example, Jim Chanos.

2000
01:47:13,875 --> 01:47:16,602
This is a good example of,
I think,

2001
01:47:16,706 --> 01:47:18,949
of cult stock, it's fair to say,
in the market.

2002
01:47:19,053 --> 01:47:22,125
The bulls will tell you
this is a software data
collection company

2003
01:47:22,228 --> 01:47:23,437
not a car company.

2004
01:47:23,540 --> 01:47:25,093
Except when it doesn't
suit them.

2005
01:47:25,197 --> 01:47:25,922
Jim Chanos,

2006
01:47:26,025 --> 01:47:27,924
who predicted
the fall of Enron,

2007
01:47:28,027 --> 01:47:31,237
is one of the world's
most famous short sellers.

2008
01:47:31,341 --> 01:47:32,687
Selling short means betting

2009
01:47:32,791 --> 01:47:34,827
that a company's stock
will fall.

2010
01:47:35,103 --> 01:47:36,864
Most people think
that's a bad thing.

2011
01:47:36,967 --> 01:47:39,522
Why would you bet
against a company?

2012
01:47:39,625 --> 01:47:41,938
But when government
regulators overlook fraud,

2013
01:47:42,041 --> 01:47:44,941
short sellers can make money
by spotting it.

2014
01:47:45,044 --> 01:47:46,805
Do you have a price target
in mind?

2015
01:47:46,908 --> 01:47:49,911
Um, well we think the equity's
worthless, so how's zero?

2016
01:47:50,015 --> 01:47:52,293
There's been
relentless criticism.

2017
01:47:52,396 --> 01:47:55,469
Relentless and outrageous
and unfair.

2018
01:47:55,572 --> 01:47:59,024
What actually happened here
was an incredible
American success story.

2019
01:47:59,127 --> 01:48:02,303
All these people worked
their ass off day and night

2020
01:48:02,406 --> 01:48:05,030
to make it happen,
and they believe in the dream.

2021
01:48:05,133 --> 01:48:08,102
And that's the story
that really should be told.

2022
01:48:10,553 --> 01:48:12,106
To protect Tesla's stock,

2023
01:48:12,209 --> 01:48:15,523
Musk had to think of a way
to destroy the short sellers.

2024
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:27,017
By threatening to take
Tesla private at a high price,

2025
01:48:27,121 --> 01:48:28,674
he goosed the market.

2026
01:48:28,778 --> 01:48:31,194
Short sellers
took a terrible beating

2027
01:48:31,297 --> 01:48:34,991
as buyers rushed
to snatch up Tesla's stock.

2028
01:48:35,094 --> 01:48:36,924
And Musk had won.

2029
01:49:00,637 --> 01:49:02,363
There was only one problem.

2030
01:49:02,466 --> 01:49:04,572
When Musk said
"funding secured,"

2031
01:49:04,676 --> 01:49:05,987
he told a lie.

2032
01:49:06,091 --> 01:49:08,507
For the CEO
of a public company,

2033
01:49:08,611 --> 01:49:09,957
that could be illegal.

2034
01:49:10,060 --> 01:49:12,615
Musk's tweets
significantly impacted

2035
01:49:12,718 --> 01:49:16,170
both the price and volume
of trading in Tesla stock.

2036
01:49:16,273 --> 01:49:20,795
We allege that Musk had arrived
at the price of $420

2037
01:49:20,899 --> 01:49:23,142
by assuming a 20% premium

2038
01:49:23,246 --> 01:49:25,835
of what Tesla's
then existing share price

2039
01:49:25,938 --> 01:49:29,045
and then rounding up to $420

2040
01:49:29,148 --> 01:49:33,014
because of the significance of
that number in marijuana culture

2041
01:49:33,118 --> 01:49:35,120
and his belief
that his girlfriend

2042
01:49:35,223 --> 01:49:36,777
would be amused by it.

2043
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:41,436
You probably can't
because stockholders, right?

2044
01:49:41,540 --> 01:49:42,817
I mean, it's legal, right?

2045
01:49:42,921 --> 01:49:44,612
- Totally legal.
- Okay.

2046
01:49:44,716 --> 01:49:45,889
How does that work?

2047
01:49:45,993 --> 01:49:48,133
Do people get upset at you
if you do certain things?

2048
01:49:49,272 --> 01:49:51,550
There's tobacco
and marijuana in there.

2049
01:49:51,654 --> 01:49:53,000
That's all it is.

2050
01:49:58,902 --> 01:50:00,145
The SEC gave Musk

2051
01:50:00,248 --> 01:50:02,561
what amounted
to a speeding ticket.

2052
01:50:02,872 --> 01:50:04,701
Then he put his foot
on the accelerator

2053
01:50:04,805 --> 01:50:06,047
and steered the Model 3

2054
01:50:06,151 --> 01:50:09,188
to become the best-selling
premium car in the US.

2055
01:50:10,258 --> 01:50:11,294
For his role,

2056
01:50:11,397 --> 01:50:12,778
Musk wanted to be paid

2057
01:50:12,882 --> 01:50:15,022
with performance-based
stock options

2058
01:50:15,125 --> 01:50:17,541
potentially worth $56 billion,

2059
01:50:17,645 --> 01:50:21,753
the largest payday for a CEO
in the history of mankind.

2060
01:50:22,167 --> 01:50:24,756
Thank you. That's a lot, yeah.

2061
01:50:30,796 --> 01:50:32,971
Here's an unlikely
player in the story.

2062
01:50:33,074 --> 01:50:35,663
A heavy metal drummer
who was a Tesla shareholder

2063
01:50:35,767 --> 01:50:38,321
sued Elon Musk
for being too greedy.

2064
01:50:41,876 --> 01:50:44,672
Richard J. Tornetta
was an odd duck

2065
01:50:44,776 --> 01:50:47,606
who ends up being the bane
of Elon Musk.

2066
01:50:47,710 --> 01:50:49,539
And it was just enraging to Musk

2067
01:50:49,643 --> 01:50:51,472
that one guy
who owned nine shares

2068
01:50:51,575 --> 01:50:54,509
could cause all this havoc.

2069
01:50:54,613 --> 01:50:59,618
The Tornetta lawsuit challenged
a 2018 compensation package

2070
01:50:59,722 --> 01:51:01,793
granted to Elon Musk
which said,

2071
01:51:01,896 --> 01:51:04,623
you go out and increase
the market cap of this company,

2072
01:51:04,727 --> 01:51:06,763
and we will reward you

2073
01:51:06,867 --> 01:51:09,870
with just an extraordinary
amount of stock options.

2074
01:51:09,973 --> 01:51:11,699
But for this to be valid,

2075
01:51:11,803 --> 01:51:14,322
there had to be
an independent board

2076
01:51:14,426 --> 01:51:15,427
that agreed to grant it.

2077
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:18,568
The Tesla board is a collection

2078
01:51:18,672 --> 01:51:21,260
of just bootlickers
and sycophants.

2079
01:51:21,364 --> 01:51:23,331
People who they claimed
were independent

2080
01:51:23,435 --> 01:51:24,747
were, in fact, not independent.

2081
01:51:24,850 --> 01:51:26,127
They were close friends of his.

2082
01:51:26,231 --> 01:51:29,337
They had become vastly wealthy
thanks to Elon Musk.

2083
01:51:29,683 --> 01:51:32,133
Musk wanted
the Tornetta case tossed out.

2084
01:51:32,237 --> 01:51:34,791
But the judge ruled
for the shareholders.

2085
01:51:34,895 --> 01:51:36,310
The lawsuit proceeded,

2086
01:51:36,413 --> 01:51:39,762
and Musk himself
had to sit for a deposition.

2087
01:51:47,562 --> 01:51:50,600
I understand you have
the title Techno King?

2088
01:51:50,704 --> 01:51:52,084
- Yeah.
- Does that require me

2089
01:51:52,188 --> 01:51:54,949
to refer to you
as Your Highness or?

2090
01:51:55,053 --> 01:51:57,331
I mean, look it's up to you.

2091
01:51:59,885 --> 01:52:01,162
I'm not going to call myself
Your Highness,

2092
01:52:01,266 --> 01:52:04,165
but if you want to do that,
that's okay.

2093
01:52:04,269 --> 01:52:07,582
What exactly is a Techno King?

2094
01:52:07,686 --> 01:52:09,274
Well, it's sort of like, um...

2095
01:52:09,377 --> 01:52:11,655
you know,
if you had like technology

2096
01:52:11,759 --> 01:52:14,728
and a monarch,

2097
01:52:15,142 --> 01:52:18,041
uh, then that would be like
a Techno King.

2098
01:52:19,284 --> 01:52:21,355
And did you come up
with that title yourself?

2099
01:52:21,458 --> 01:52:22,356
Yes.

2100
01:52:24,703 --> 01:52:25,808
The lawsuit was really about

2101
01:52:25,911 --> 01:52:27,361
something more than money.

2102
01:52:27,464 --> 01:52:29,881
It was about the very nature
of a company.

2103
01:52:29,984 --> 01:52:31,848
Should the proceeds
go to investors

2104
01:52:31,952 --> 01:52:33,401
and the thousands of people

2105
01:52:33,505 --> 01:52:36,542
who actually designed
and manufactured the cars?

2106
01:52:36,646 --> 01:52:39,580
Or the front man who said
he had bigger fish to fry?

2107
01:52:39,683 --> 01:52:43,135
If I allocate, um,

2108
01:52:43,239 --> 01:52:45,482
a huge amount of my time
to Tesla,

2109
01:52:45,586 --> 01:52:47,588
uh, then I cannot
at the same time

2110
01:52:47,691 --> 01:52:51,592
advance, um, progress

2111
01:52:51,695 --> 01:52:53,767
towards making life
multiplanetary

2112
01:52:56,459 --> 01:52:59,703
and extending the light of
consciousness beyond Earth.

2113
01:52:59,980 --> 01:53:01,257
So, you'll forgive me.

2114
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:03,086
I'm a simple lawyer
from Delaware.

2115
01:53:03,190 --> 01:53:05,571
But I think
what you just told me is

2116
01:53:06,089 --> 01:53:10,922
that part of the benefit
of working hard at Tesla

2117
01:53:11,025 --> 01:53:13,234
was that you would have money
to put into going to Mars

2118
01:53:13,338 --> 01:53:16,375
and to deal with Neuralink
and/or OpenAI.

2119
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:19,516
- Is that a fair summary?
- Yeah, that is a fair summary.

2120
01:53:19,620 --> 01:53:21,311
The judge didn't buy it.

2121
01:53:21,415 --> 01:53:24,936
She ruled for the heavy metal
drummer and the investors.

2122
01:53:25,453 --> 01:53:27,697
Musk appealed
the court's ruling,

2123
01:53:27,801 --> 01:53:30,079
insisting that his
Tesla stock options

2124
01:53:30,182 --> 01:53:32,598
were linked to the survival
of the planet.

2125
01:53:35,325 --> 01:53:38,881
I'm here with Elon Musk
at the headquarters of Tesla.

2126
01:53:40,158 --> 01:53:41,711
- Tesla cannot die.
- Mm-hmm.

2127
01:53:41,815 --> 01:53:43,851
Tesla is incredibly important

2128
01:53:43,955 --> 01:53:45,991
for the future
of sustainable transport.

2129
01:53:46,095 --> 01:53:47,959
It's very important
for the future of the world.

2130
01:53:48,062 --> 01:53:49,788
It's very important
for all life on earth.

2131
01:53:49,892 --> 01:53:52,860
This supersedes
political parties,

2132
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:55,104
race, creed,
religions, it doesn't matter.

2133
01:53:55,207 --> 01:53:57,485
If we do not
solve the environment,

2134
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:59,142
we're all damned.

2135
01:54:01,317 --> 01:54:05,942
When he said Tesla dies
and humanity dies with it,

2136
01:54:06,046 --> 01:54:07,323
I think, you're a car company.

2137
01:54:07,426 --> 01:54:09,428
What do you make, cars?
Right? Like, really?

2138
01:54:09,532 --> 01:54:12,535
Can you imagine the head of,
like, paper towels at Bounty

2139
01:54:12,638 --> 01:54:15,918
going, "If Bounty goes,
so goes the rest of us."

2140
01:54:16,021 --> 01:54:17,540
I mean, honestly.

2141
01:54:28,447 --> 01:54:31,140
Over time,
Elon's delusions of grandeur

2142
01:54:31,243 --> 01:54:33,936
would collide
with a disquieting reality.

2143
01:54:34,695 --> 01:54:36,283
Sales were falling for the cars

2144
01:54:36,386 --> 01:54:39,113
that were supposed
to save the planet.

2145
01:54:39,217 --> 01:54:40,874
So Tesla's magician in chief

2146
01:54:40,977 --> 01:54:42,945
pulled some rabbits
out of his hat.

2147
01:54:43,359 --> 01:54:46,500
Tesla was no longer
a mere car company.

2148
01:54:46,845 --> 01:54:48,847
It was something much more.

2149
01:54:49,192 --> 01:54:50,676
We have quite a show
for you tonight.

2150
01:54:50,780 --> 01:54:52,057
I think you're gonna like it.

2151
01:54:53,714 --> 01:54:56,199
You'll be able to take a ride
in the Cybercab.

2152
01:54:56,303 --> 01:54:58,961
There is no steering wheel
or pedals.

2153
01:54:59,064 --> 01:55:01,756
Everything we've developed
for our cars,

2154
01:55:02,102 --> 01:55:05,070
it all actually applies
to a humanoid robot.

2155
01:55:05,174 --> 01:55:07,245
It's just a robot
with arms and legs

2156
01:55:07,348 --> 01:55:09,937
instead of a robot with wheels.

2157
01:55:11,594 --> 01:55:13,216
Of the eight billion people
on Earth,

2158
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:16,288
I think everyone's going
to want their Optimus buddy.

2159
01:55:16,737 --> 01:55:20,983
I think this will be
the biggest product ever

2160
01:55:21,086 --> 01:55:22,363
of any kind.

2161
01:55:28,507 --> 01:55:30,337
Let's party!

2162
01:55:45,697 --> 01:55:47,561
The weirdest thing
about the party

2163
01:55:47,664 --> 01:55:51,496
was something everyone knew
but wouldn't say out loud.

2164
01:55:51,599 --> 01:55:53,705
The products were fakes.

2165
01:55:53,808 --> 01:55:56,535
Remote human drivers oversaw
the Cybercabs

2166
01:55:56,639 --> 01:55:59,573
as they followed
a predetermined route.

2167
01:55:59,883 --> 01:56:01,747
The robots walked using AI,

2168
01:56:01,851 --> 01:56:05,613
but were remote-assisted
and voiced by human operators.

2169
01:56:06,580 --> 01:56:09,790
The biggest product ever?
Really?

2170
01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:12,689
Hey, Optimus,
how much of you is AI?

2171
01:56:22,768 --> 01:56:26,462
I like your moves.
I like your moves.

2172
01:56:35,850 --> 01:56:37,611
Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.

2173
01:56:37,714 --> 01:56:40,579
As the robots started
passing out at their own party,

2174
01:56:41,201 --> 01:56:42,754
Musk left early,

2175
01:56:43,065 --> 01:56:45,239
high on his own supply.

2176
01:56:47,310 --> 01:56:49,899
Tesla has done more
to help the environment

2177
01:56:50,003 --> 01:56:53,868
than all other
companies combined.

2178
01:56:53,972 --> 01:56:56,768
It would be fair to say that,
therefore, as the leader

2179
01:56:56,871 --> 01:56:58,977
of the company, I've done more
for the environment

2180
01:56:59,081 --> 01:57:01,255
than any single human on Earth.

2181
01:57:02,981 --> 01:57:04,534
Someone said to me once,

2182
01:57:04,638 --> 01:57:06,778
"He's 'Ready Player One'
in the game."

2183
01:57:06,881 --> 01:57:08,228
That's how he sees himself.

2184
01:57:08,331 --> 01:57:11,196
And everyone else is an NPC,
which is a non-player character.

2185
01:57:12,335 --> 01:57:14,958
So if you're very much
into video games,

2186
01:57:15,062 --> 01:57:17,133
if you're into simulations,

2187
01:57:17,237 --> 01:57:19,273
it might give you
a sense of the world

2188
01:57:19,377 --> 01:57:20,619
that's very different.

2189
01:57:22,035 --> 01:57:26,108
I've played the entire
evolution of video games.

2190
01:57:26,211 --> 01:57:30,146
From earlyPong,
Space Invaders stuff, Pac-Man,

2191
01:57:30,250 --> 01:57:32,597
all the way through to...

2192
01:57:32,700 --> 01:57:37,498
super high resolution
multiplayer online games.

2193
01:57:40,984 --> 01:57:43,297
Killing the demons
in a video game

2194
01:57:43,401 --> 01:57:45,230
calms the demons in my mind.

2195
01:57:49,338 --> 01:57:52,237
The material benefit
of this idea

2196
01:57:52,341 --> 01:57:55,999
that it's a simulation is that
you get to act in ways

2197
01:57:56,103 --> 01:57:59,865
that are manifestly
cruel and selfish

2198
01:57:59,969 --> 01:58:01,488
and immoral.

2199
01:58:05,871 --> 01:58:07,942
If Musk has a unique vision

2200
01:58:08,046 --> 01:58:12,775
and everyone else is just
a robot that he programs,

2201
01:58:13,741 --> 01:58:15,053
then there is no reason

2202
01:58:15,157 --> 01:58:17,366
not to treat those people
very badly.

2203
01:58:18,332 --> 01:58:20,921
If you lose track
of what's real,

2204
01:58:21,232 --> 01:58:23,165
then you lose track
of what matters.

2205
01:58:23,268 --> 01:58:26,858
And you can really
hurt yourself and other people.

2206
01:58:26,961 --> 01:58:28,135
Yes!

2207
01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:30,172
Ladies and gentlemen,

2208
01:58:30,275 --> 01:58:33,796
give it up
for the greatest capitalist

2209
01:58:33,899 --> 01:58:38,249
in the history of
the United States of America,

2210
01:58:38,352 --> 01:58:40,699
Elon Musk!

2211
01:58:40,803 --> 01:58:44,600
The future is gonna be amazing!

2212
01:59:18,185 --> 01:59:21,395
People of Earth,
your attention please.

2213
01:59:21,499 --> 01:59:23,432
Regrettably, your planet
is one of those scheduled

2214
01:59:23,535 --> 01:59:25,710
for demolition.

2215
01:59:27,746 --> 01:59:29,438
Elon Musk
has always claimed to be

2216
01:59:29,541 --> 01:59:31,750
on a mission
to save civilization.

2217
01:59:37,480 --> 01:59:39,517
That made me wonder
about his fondness

2218
01:59:39,620 --> 01:59:41,933
forThe Hitchhiker's Guide
to the Galaxy,

2219
01:59:42,036 --> 01:59:45,937
a novel that begins with aliens
blowing up planet Earth

2220
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:49,216
in order to make way
for an interplanetary highway.

2221
01:59:51,149 --> 01:59:52,978
Did he know
that it was a satire

2222
01:59:53,082 --> 01:59:55,326
about recklessly
powerful beings

2223
01:59:55,429 --> 01:59:56,706
who were willing to destroy

2224
01:59:56,810 --> 01:59:58,432
billions of lives
in the present

2225
01:59:58,536 --> 02:00:01,918
in order to make way
for a distant, glorious future?

2226
02:00:08,339 --> 02:00:09,857
We've got this, um, I think...

2227
02:00:09,961 --> 02:00:12,170
...pretty good-looking
rocket factory building.

2228
02:00:12,274 --> 02:00:13,378
You know, long term,

2229
02:00:13,482 --> 02:00:16,312
probably be making 1,000
a year of the ship.

2230
02:00:16,416 --> 02:00:17,555
- So...
- A thousand a year?

2231
02:00:17,658 --> 02:00:19,764
Yeah, well, you know,
gotta build a city on Mars.

2232
02:00:36,988 --> 02:00:39,749
If it becomes operational,
which is still an if,

2233
02:00:40,750 --> 02:00:44,237
Starship would be
fully reusable.

2234
02:00:45,307 --> 02:00:46,998
It would go back to the moon,

2235
02:00:47,101 --> 02:00:49,794
and it's what he says
will take people to Mars.

2236
02:00:52,106 --> 02:00:55,662
But there is a big leap...

2237
02:00:55,765 --> 02:00:58,320
...between what SpaceX
has accomplished,

2238
02:00:58,423 --> 02:01:00,632
which is magnificent,

2239
02:01:00,736 --> 02:01:04,464
and what Elon
has been saying for ten years

2240
02:01:04,567 --> 02:01:06,259
about what they will be doing.

2241
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:12,403
OnSaturday Night Live,
when he said...

2242
02:01:12,506 --> 02:01:15,060
To anyone I've offended,
I just wanna say,

2243
02:01:15,164 --> 02:01:16,683
I reinvented electric cars

2244
02:01:16,786 --> 02:01:18,616
and I'm sending people
to Mars in a rocket ship.

2245
02:01:24,138 --> 02:01:26,934
Did you think I was also
gonna be a chill, normal dude?

2246
02:01:27,038 --> 02:01:29,765
What?

2247
02:01:29,868 --> 02:01:31,629
Great line.

2248
02:01:31,732 --> 02:01:34,321
He's not sending people to Mars.

2249
02:01:34,425 --> 02:01:37,255
He is talking
about sending people to Mars

2250
02:01:37,359 --> 02:01:39,740
and has been for years.

2251
02:01:46,609 --> 02:01:48,991
I think most people want
a future where we're headed

2252
02:01:49,094 --> 02:01:50,786
towards being
a space-faring civilization.

2253
02:01:50,889 --> 02:01:52,477
We're going out there
exploring the stars,

2254
02:01:52,581 --> 02:01:53,823
and...

2255
02:01:53,927 --> 02:01:56,170
...and we want to be on
a path to making true the things

2256
02:01:56,274 --> 02:01:58,103
that we read in--
in science fiction books

2257
02:01:58,207 --> 02:01:59,484
and see in the movies.

2258
02:01:59,588 --> 02:02:02,142
But a-- a future where
we are forever confined to Earth

2259
02:02:02,245 --> 02:02:03,626
until some eventual
extinction event

2260
02:02:03,730 --> 02:02:06,008
is less inspiring.

2261
02:02:16,052 --> 02:02:18,883
Musk sees
two options for the future,

2262
02:02:20,367 --> 02:02:22,127
either the extinction
of humanity

2263
02:02:22,231 --> 02:02:27,719
or endless colonial expansion
across the entire universe.

2264
02:02:30,481 --> 02:02:32,517
If you zoom out really far

2265
02:02:32,621 --> 02:02:34,554
and look at
the four-billion-year history

2266
02:02:34,657 --> 02:02:37,660
of Earth and the evolution
of life itself,

2267
02:02:37,764 --> 02:02:41,457
there's maybe half a dozen
or so really big milestones.

2268
02:02:42,838 --> 02:02:44,253
And I think on that scale

2269
02:02:44,357 --> 02:02:48,291
would also fit the expansion
of life to multiple planets.

2270
02:02:48,395 --> 02:02:50,811
Extending to multiple planets
gives us the surest chance

2271
02:02:50,915 --> 02:02:53,607
of life lasting
for a very long time.

2272
02:02:55,091 --> 02:02:57,887
Musk and the rest
of the tech billionaires want

2273
02:02:57,991 --> 02:03:01,097
more everything forever.

2274
02:03:01,201 --> 02:03:02,616
I decided to write this book

2275
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:06,275
to sort of sound the alarm
on this idea in Silicon Valley

2276
02:03:06,379 --> 02:03:08,795
that we can have
more everything forever.

2277
02:03:08,898 --> 02:03:10,935
And anyone who gets
in the way of that

2278
02:03:11,038 --> 02:03:13,731
is guilty of murder
of the future lives

2279
02:03:13,834 --> 02:03:16,423
that could have been saved
if we'd just gotten technology

2280
02:03:16,527 --> 02:03:19,426
to go faster and people
had just left us alone.

2281
02:03:19,530 --> 02:03:22,084
"Leave me alone.
I know what's best."

2282
02:03:25,018 --> 02:03:27,641
"I, Elon Musk,
am going to take us

2283
02:03:27,745 --> 02:03:29,747
to Mars and the stars.

2284
02:03:29,850 --> 02:03:32,715
And anyone who gets
in the way of that is guilty

2285
02:03:32,819 --> 02:03:35,856
of preventing the future
of the species."

2286
02:03:41,206 --> 02:03:44,244
What Musk wants
is moral absolution

2287
02:03:44,347 --> 02:03:45,659
for any of his actions now,

2288
02:03:45,763 --> 02:03:51,113
because he is creating
this endless future in space.

2289
02:03:53,356 --> 02:03:54,668
I just want
to give you a sense of

2290
02:03:54,772 --> 02:03:56,325
what it would feel like to...

2291
02:03:56,429 --> 02:03:57,878
to actually
be in the spaceship.

2292
02:03:57,982 --> 02:04:00,881
Um, it's gotta be really fun
and exciting,

2293
02:04:00,985 --> 02:04:05,161
um, and it can't feel cramped
or boring.

2294
02:04:05,265 --> 02:04:08,613
You can float around.
Uh, it'll be like movies.

2295
02:04:08,717 --> 02:04:09,959
Moonraker 6...

2296
02:04:10,063 --> 02:04:12,893
In movies,
we can imagine space colonies,

2297
02:04:12,997 --> 02:04:16,449
but we know very little about
how they might really work.

2298
02:04:16,552 --> 02:04:18,416
Can we have sex
in zero gravity?

2299
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:19,659
Or will we need helpers

2300
02:04:19,762 --> 02:04:22,593
who can push us together
at the right moment?

2301
02:04:22,696 --> 02:04:25,009
Can mothers raise
and birth babies

2302
02:04:25,112 --> 02:04:26,769
while losing bone mass?

2303
02:04:26,873 --> 02:04:30,221
What about the perils
of radiation and solar flares?

2304
02:04:32,188 --> 02:04:34,121
Where will we get our energy
and water?

2305
02:04:34,225 --> 02:04:37,090
What will our laws be?
Who will rule?

2306
02:04:37,193 --> 02:04:39,782
Without knowing the answers,
Musk teases us

2307
02:04:39,886 --> 02:04:41,991
with a bright
multi-planetary future

2308
02:04:42,095 --> 02:04:44,097
by launching rockets
and saying,

2309
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:47,031
"Lift up your eyes
and look to the heavens."

2310
02:04:49,412 --> 02:04:52,450
We want the things that
are in science fiction novels

2311
02:04:52,554 --> 02:04:54,763
and movies not
to be science fiction forever.

2312
02:05:00,389 --> 02:05:03,392
These ideas that he has
about space and the future

2313
02:05:03,496 --> 02:05:05,739
mostly come
from science fiction.

2314
02:05:08,949 --> 02:05:11,607
Jetpacks, flying cars,
rocket ships,

2315
02:05:11,711 --> 02:05:13,644
moon base, Mars base, right?

2316
02:05:13,747 --> 02:05:14,921
That's what
the future looks like.

2317
02:05:18,407 --> 02:05:22,825
But because that idea
of what the future looks like

2318
02:05:22,929 --> 02:05:25,725
has so much cultural pull,

2319
02:05:25,828 --> 02:05:28,555
it's not until recently
that most people realize

2320
02:05:28,659 --> 02:05:31,593
that when Musk says
that the future of humanity

2321
02:05:31,696 --> 02:05:35,597
and the future of SpaceX
is to colonize Mars,

2322
02:05:35,700 --> 02:05:37,046
that's not happening.

2323
02:05:40,843 --> 02:05:43,605
Mars is a really,
really difficult environment

2324
02:05:43,708 --> 02:05:45,020
to survive in.

2325
02:05:45,745 --> 02:05:47,401
The gravity is too low,

2326
02:05:47,505 --> 02:05:49,611
the radiation levels
are too high,

2327
02:05:49,714 --> 02:05:53,373
there's no air,
and the dirt is made of poison.

2328
02:05:57,688 --> 02:06:01,623
Musk and company
are selling us dreams.

2329
02:06:17,155 --> 02:06:19,054
There's so much pent-up demand

2330
02:06:19,157 --> 02:06:20,124
for SpaceX shares.

2331
02:06:20,227 --> 02:06:22,333
Almost anyone
who's trying to get their hands

2332
02:06:22,436 --> 02:06:23,748
on SpaceX shares
is looking to.

2333
02:06:23,852 --> 02:06:27,165
It's by far
one of the most valuable

2334
02:06:27,269 --> 02:06:29,305
privately-held companies
in the world.

2335
02:06:34,448 --> 02:06:37,797
For people who invest
in Musk's companies,

2336
02:06:37,900 --> 02:06:40,454
either he's a genius

2337
02:06:40,558 --> 02:06:43,043
or he's insane.

2338
02:06:43,147 --> 02:06:45,908
And how could
he possibly be insane

2339
02:06:46,012 --> 02:06:47,841
when he's so rich
and successful?

2340
02:06:47,945 --> 02:06:50,672
So he must be a genius.

2341
02:06:50,775 --> 02:06:53,364
The alternative is
too terrifying to contemplate,

2342
02:06:53,467 --> 02:06:56,850
that he is insane
and wealthy and powerful.

2343
02:06:58,265 --> 02:06:59,681
We should get, like,
a hang glider

2344
02:06:59,784 --> 02:07:00,992
and jump off or something.

2345
02:07:01,096 --> 02:07:01,924
That'd be sweet.

2346
02:07:15,973 --> 02:07:17,250
In March 2020,

2347
02:07:17,353 --> 02:07:20,874
COVID-19 had spread
to over 110 countries.

2348
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:26,259
Unable to contain
the spread of the disease,

2349
02:07:26,362 --> 02:07:28,641
the U.S. government began
to consider the idea

2350
02:07:28,744 --> 02:07:30,470
of lockdowns.

2351
02:07:30,573 --> 02:07:33,128
Sir, we're gonna
take your temperature, okay?

2352
02:07:36,131 --> 02:07:38,858
- Start compressions!
- Thank you.

2353
02:07:38,961 --> 02:07:40,722
There are a lot
of reasons to question

2354
02:07:40,825 --> 02:07:43,310
why lockdowns
were employed for so long.

2355
02:07:43,414 --> 02:07:45,105
But in COVID's first wave,

2356
02:07:45,209 --> 02:07:47,280
no one knew
how to combat the disease

2357
02:07:47,383 --> 02:07:48,971
which was killing so many

2358
02:07:49,075 --> 02:07:51,353
that New York City
had to rent freezer trucks

2359
02:07:51,456 --> 02:07:53,079
to store all the dead bodies.

2360
02:07:57,670 --> 02:07:59,706
Elon, how do you do it?

2361
02:07:59,810 --> 02:08:02,467
It has diminished my faith
in humanity, this whole thing.

2362
02:08:02,571 --> 02:08:03,814
Because?

2363
02:08:05,367 --> 02:08:07,645
The irrationality...

2364
02:08:07,749 --> 02:08:10,234
of-- of-- of people in general.

2365
02:08:13,651 --> 02:08:15,618
Very early in the pandemic,

2366
02:08:15,722 --> 02:08:20,002
Elon tweeted, "Panic about
the coronavirus is dumb."

2367
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:25,628
And I saw the response
to the tweet.

2368
02:08:25,732 --> 02:08:29,874
People were perceiving him
as this genius technologist

2369
02:08:29,978 --> 02:08:33,153
who must have
inside information.

2370
02:08:33,257 --> 02:08:37,468
And I thought, "Oh,
this is not gonna age well."

2371
02:08:48,168 --> 02:08:53,346
When I texted him, he comes back
with just a ton of topspin.

2372
02:08:56,004 --> 02:08:59,214
We go back and forth
for, like, two hours.

2373
02:08:59,317 --> 02:09:02,251
It finally converged
on a bet where he said,

2374
02:09:02,355 --> 02:09:06,152
"I'll bet you a million dollars
against a bottle of tequila

2375
02:09:06,255 --> 02:09:12,192
that we won't have 35,000 cases
of COVID in the United States."

2376
02:09:12,296 --> 02:09:14,816
It was so obvious
where this was going.

2377
02:09:16,403 --> 02:09:18,716
I waited until we had
35,000 deaths

2378
02:09:18,820 --> 02:09:20,614
and 600,000 cases.

2379
02:09:20,718 --> 02:09:22,030
I texted him,

2380
02:09:22,133 --> 02:09:26,310
"Is 35,000 deaths
plus 600,000 cases

2381
02:09:26,413 --> 02:09:29,831
less than 35,000 cases?"

2382
02:09:29,934 --> 02:09:31,902
Right. And that honestly appears

2383
02:09:32,005 --> 02:09:33,420
to have been
the end of our friendship.

2384
02:09:35,077 --> 02:09:38,253
COVID is when some switch
got flipped in his brain

2385
02:09:38,356 --> 02:09:41,187
and he was behaving
in ways that I thought

2386
02:09:41,290 --> 02:09:45,053
were starkly unethical
and just unrecognizable to me.

2387
02:09:46,917 --> 02:09:48,159
We're gonna start with Tesla.

2388
02:09:48,263 --> 02:09:49,678
On the company's
conference call,

2389
02:09:49,782 --> 02:09:51,197
Elon Musk blasting

2390
02:09:51,300 --> 02:09:54,476
the pandemic
stay-at-home order.

2391
02:09:54,579 --> 02:09:56,064
Frankly, I would call it

2392
02:09:56,167 --> 02:09:58,100
forcibly imprisoning people
in their homes,

2393
02:09:58,204 --> 02:09:59,343
breaking people's freedoms

2394
02:09:59,446 --> 02:10:01,932
in ways that are horrible
and-- and wrong,

2395
02:10:02,035 --> 02:10:04,486
uh, and not why people
came to America

2396
02:10:04,589 --> 02:10:05,867
or built this country.

2397
02:10:05,970 --> 02:10:09,249
What the fuck? Excuse me.
This is fascist.

2398
02:10:09,353 --> 02:10:11,596
Give people back
their goddamn freedom.

2399
02:10:14,082 --> 02:10:15,393
Elon tends to think,

2400
02:10:15,497 --> 02:10:18,431
"The only thing that matters
is I succeed in my mission."

2401
02:10:18,534 --> 02:10:22,676
Anything that gets in the way
is bad or villainous.

2402
02:10:22,780 --> 02:10:24,920
"If COVID causes me to have

2403
02:10:25,024 --> 02:10:26,266
to maybe shut down
my factories,

2404
02:10:26,370 --> 02:10:27,750
that gets
in the way of my mission,

2405
02:10:27,854 --> 02:10:29,856
so therefore it's wrong."

2406
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:31,099
Tesla has actually begun

2407
02:10:31,202 --> 02:10:33,791
to openly challenge
the state's authority

2408
02:10:33,895 --> 02:10:35,379
by starting production

2409
02:10:35,482 --> 02:10:38,623
in defiance
of public health orders.

2410
02:10:38,727 --> 02:10:40,211
"You as a society

2411
02:10:40,315 --> 02:10:43,352
are telling me that I need
to do something different.

2412
02:10:43,456 --> 02:10:44,560
Who are you to tell me?"

2413
02:10:47,356 --> 02:10:49,531
During COVID,
he kept talking about studies,

2414
02:10:49,634 --> 02:10:51,602
all the studies he read,
and he was the expert.

2415
02:10:51,705 --> 02:10:53,811
He just thinks
he's a higher being.

2416
02:10:53,915 --> 02:10:56,296
You know, you're talking
a lot about saving humanity,

2417
02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:59,679
but these are humans
that die in the process.

2418
02:10:59,782 --> 02:11:01,094
Everybody dies.

2419
02:11:01,198 --> 02:11:02,647
I know that, Elon.

2420
02:11:02,751 --> 02:11:03,994
The question is what,

2421
02:11:04,097 --> 02:11:06,755
on balance,
serves the greater good?

2422
02:11:06,859 --> 02:11:08,067
The price for the greater good

2423
02:11:08,170 --> 02:11:10,759
was paid
by the factory workers.

2424
02:11:10,863 --> 02:11:15,384
At Tesla's California plant,
450 employees got COVID,

2425
02:11:15,488 --> 02:11:17,179
and some who refused
to risk contagion

2426
02:11:17,283 --> 02:11:19,250
by returning
to work were fired.

2427
02:11:20,734 --> 02:11:23,392
All that Tesla had to do
was just present their plan

2428
02:11:23,496 --> 02:11:25,256
for keeping workers safe
in the pandemic.

2429
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:28,950
And then, once it was approved,
they could go ahead and operate.

2430
02:11:30,261 --> 02:11:32,539
But instead,
Musk just played the martyr,

2431
02:11:32,643 --> 02:11:34,921
kept the factory open.

2432
02:11:35,025 --> 02:11:40,306
Meanwhile, in China, much more
stringent COVID restrictions,

2433
02:11:40,409 --> 02:11:43,033
and he was just praising them
for all the help

2434
02:11:43,136 --> 02:11:45,898
they gave to keep Tesla's
factory operations running.

2435
02:11:51,248 --> 02:11:52,905
This was an era
when Musk was saying

2436
02:11:53,008 --> 02:11:54,768
he didn't want
to be involved in politics,

2437
02:11:54,872 --> 02:11:55,942
but it was clear that Musk

2438
02:11:56,046 --> 02:11:58,013
was making
this political statement.

2439
02:12:06,332 --> 02:12:08,886
In December 2020,
I got a scoop

2440
02:12:08,990 --> 02:12:11,233
that he had personally moved
to Texas.

2441
02:12:16,411 --> 02:12:19,000
Tesla had already started
a factory in Austin.

2442
02:12:21,381 --> 02:12:22,520
It became clear that he saw

2443
02:12:22,624 --> 02:12:25,351
a lot of opportunity
in red states.

2444
02:12:25,454 --> 02:12:29,079
I think it was both personal
and political.

2445
02:12:39,917 --> 02:12:42,230
Musk didn't just move to Texas,

2446
02:12:42,816 --> 02:12:44,266
he colonized it.

2447
02:12:46,199 --> 02:12:48,443
Beyond factories
for Tesla and SpaceX

2448
02:12:48,546 --> 02:12:51,170
and his own personal compound
in Austin,

2449
02:12:51,273 --> 02:12:52,930
he founded 90 companies

2450
02:12:53,034 --> 02:12:55,277
and built two company towns
for workers,

2451
02:12:55,381 --> 02:12:57,900
including schools
with lesson plans

2452
02:12:58,004 --> 02:13:00,489
influenced by Elon.

2453
02:13:00,593 --> 02:13:02,940
We need Lithium.
We would not be here...

2454
02:13:03,044 --> 02:13:04,977
...but for the vision,

2455
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:06,012
the hard work,

2456
02:13:06,116 --> 02:13:07,462
and the commitment
of Elon Musk.

2457
02:13:07,565 --> 02:13:10,706
Give it up for Tesla
and Elon Musk.

2458
02:13:10,810 --> 02:13:13,157
The government passed
laws for his benefit

2459
02:13:13,261 --> 02:13:15,746
and overlooked
the environmental indifference

2460
02:13:15,849 --> 02:13:16,816
of his companies.

2461
02:13:44,878 --> 02:13:47,812
You know, obviously,
I'm like socially very liberal,

2462
02:13:47,916 --> 02:13:49,573
and then economically,

2463
02:13:49,676 --> 02:13:52,817
right of center, maybe,
or center, I don't know.

2464
02:13:52,921 --> 02:13:54,233
Obviously, not a communist.

2465
02:13:57,270 --> 02:14:00,411
A privilege
that the uber-wealthy have

2466
02:14:00,515 --> 02:14:04,346
is that they're able to spend
as much money as they want

2467
02:14:04,450 --> 02:14:08,212
in elections without it
coming up in public documents.

2468
02:14:08,902 --> 02:14:10,594
Elon was able to dabble

2469
02:14:10,697 --> 02:14:12,320
and manipulate
Republican politics

2470
02:14:12,423 --> 02:14:15,599
in ways that no one knew
for years.

2471
02:14:15,702 --> 02:14:19,223
There are these vehicles
called 501 s.

2472
02:14:19,327 --> 02:14:21,156
They're dark money pools,

2473
02:14:21,260 --> 02:14:24,573
and it's a vehicle
that Musk loves.

2474
02:14:24,677 --> 02:14:27,266
We were able to uncover
some of these s he used

2475
02:14:27,369 --> 02:14:29,682
for the midterms in 2022,

2476
02:14:29,785 --> 02:14:34,066
where he gave money to a group
called Citizens for Sanity.

2477
02:14:37,586 --> 02:14:39,036
The national murder rate

2478
02:14:39,140 --> 02:14:41,487
is at its highest in 25 years.

2479
02:14:41,590 --> 02:14:43,765
The result
of far left policies.

2480
02:14:43,868 --> 02:14:45,767
Joe Biden and the Democrats

2481
02:14:45,870 --> 02:14:47,458
have demolished
the southern border.

2482
02:14:47,562 --> 02:14:49,771
Send a message
to Biden and the Democrats.

2483
02:14:49,874 --> 02:14:51,842
We don't want open borders.

2484
02:14:51,945 --> 02:14:53,913
Joe Biden and Raphael Warnock

2485
02:14:54,016 --> 02:14:56,260
believe girls can become boys

2486
02:14:56,364 --> 02:14:58,952
by injecting them
with testosterone,

2487
02:14:59,056 --> 02:15:00,609
cutting off their breasts,

2488
02:15:00,713 --> 02:15:03,543
and surgically changing
their genitals.

2489
02:15:03,647 --> 02:15:05,304
At the time that Elon funneled

2490
02:15:05,407 --> 02:15:06,684
more than 50 million dollars

2491
02:15:06,788 --> 02:15:09,791
toward these
very incendiary ads,

2492
02:15:09,894 --> 02:15:11,033
in his personal life,

2493
02:15:11,137 --> 02:15:12,656
he had a biological son

2494
02:15:12,759 --> 02:15:15,210
who transitioned
into being a woman.

2495
02:15:15,314 --> 02:15:18,489
And Elon refused
to accept Vivian

2496
02:15:18,593 --> 02:15:20,146
as his daughter.

2497
02:15:20,250 --> 02:15:22,631
He has publicly stated that
that was a result

2498
02:15:22,735 --> 02:15:24,944
of what he calls
"the woke mind virus."

2499
02:15:26,428 --> 02:15:29,466
I'm not just a bitch.

2500
02:15:29,569 --> 02:15:31,744
I'm a bitch with a backstory.

2501
02:15:31,847 --> 02:15:33,884
You talk about your, uh...
You talk about your transition.

2502
02:15:33,987 --> 02:15:35,437
You say your mom
was very supportive,

2503
02:15:35,541 --> 02:15:39,234
and you say that Elon Musk
was not as supportive.

2504
02:15:39,752 --> 02:15:40,580
Yeah.

2505
02:15:40,684 --> 02:15:42,755
I needed a diagnosis
of gender dysphoria,

2506
02:15:42,858 --> 02:15:45,447
which I passed with
flying colors, unfortunately.

2507
02:15:45,551 --> 02:15:46,862
"Unfortunately."

2508
02:15:46,966 --> 02:15:49,831
And... And then
I needed both parental consent.

2509
02:15:49,934 --> 02:15:51,488
There's a lot I cannot say,

2510
02:15:51,591 --> 02:15:54,767
but my mom is a badass bitch
and I love her to death.

2511
02:15:54,870 --> 02:15:57,390
- That's all I'm gonna say.
- Okay.

2512
02:15:57,494 --> 02:16:00,980
The thing about Jenna
is that she is, uh,

2513
02:16:01,083 --> 02:16:02,430
extremely strong-willed.

2514
02:16:03,741 --> 02:16:05,295
Elon and I had five kids,

2515
02:16:05,398 --> 02:16:08,505
and the one who was
most openly defiant was Jenna.

2516
02:16:08,608 --> 02:16:14,166
I am not the reason
he's a, you know, fascist!

2517
02:16:14,269 --> 02:16:15,650
People think it's, like,
my fault.

2518
02:16:15,753 --> 02:16:17,376
Like, I cannot take credit
for that,

2519
02:16:17,479 --> 02:16:18,722
unfortunately, for him.

2520
02:16:22,243 --> 02:16:23,520
Jenna was different.

2521
02:16:24,728 --> 02:16:27,317
When she was six,
Elon said to her,

2522
02:16:27,420 --> 02:16:29,319
"In this world,
there are winners and losers.

2523
02:16:29,422 --> 02:16:30,389
You know,
do you wanna be a winner

2524
02:16:30,492 --> 02:16:32,218
or do you wanna be a loser?"

2525
02:16:34,600 --> 02:16:36,118
The subtext there was,

2526
02:16:36,222 --> 02:16:38,811
"If you do not follow me
and do what I say,

2527
02:16:38,914 --> 02:16:40,330
you will be a loser."

2528
02:16:43,125 --> 02:16:45,231
It was painful
to watch her be in pain.

2529
02:16:49,649 --> 02:16:52,411
Instead of trying to understand
her point of view,

2530
02:16:52,514 --> 02:16:56,656
Elon was telling her
through telling the world

2531
02:16:56,760 --> 02:16:58,417
what that point of view
actually was.

2532
02:17:03,422 --> 02:17:07,840
And Elon never tried...

2533
02:17:08,979 --> 02:17:10,877
to, uh, repair things.

2534
02:17:10,981 --> 02:17:13,742
You know, like, he--
That's not in his nature, he...

2535
02:17:14,916 --> 02:17:15,917
He, uh...

2536
02:17:17,712 --> 02:17:19,748
You know,
if a relationship ruptures,

2537
02:17:19,852 --> 02:17:21,025
then it ruptures.

2538
02:17:22,095 --> 02:17:23,959
I lost my son, essentially.

2539
02:17:25,478 --> 02:17:27,929
They call it dead naming
because...

2540
02:17:28,032 --> 02:17:31,346
uh... your son is dead.

2541
02:17:31,450 --> 02:17:35,902
So my son Xavier is dead,
killed by the woke mind virus.

2542
02:17:40,804 --> 02:17:42,668
If you do your job
right as a parent,

2543
02:17:42,771 --> 02:17:45,533
you get displaced,
you know, by their life,

2544
02:17:45,636 --> 02:17:47,431
which is no longer your life.

2545
02:17:48,777 --> 02:17:51,435
There's a lot of emotion
involved with that.

2546
02:17:52,643 --> 02:17:55,715
But he really did treat it
as the death of a child.

2547
02:17:57,165 --> 02:17:58,235
I was like, you know,

2548
02:17:58,339 --> 02:18:00,789
we actually went through
the actual death

2549
02:18:00,893 --> 02:18:02,274
of an actual child.

2550
02:18:02,377 --> 02:18:05,380
And, uh... And what's
really happening here is,

2551
02:18:05,484 --> 02:18:07,382
you know, this is
a child growing up.

2552
02:18:09,315 --> 02:18:10,489
She's...

2553
02:18:12,007 --> 02:18:13,215
She's Jenna.

2554
02:18:25,814 --> 02:18:27,402
In order to be,
you know, a winner,

2555
02:18:27,506 --> 02:18:29,439
she had to go her own way.

2556
02:18:29,922 --> 02:18:31,717
And, uh...

2557
02:18:31,820 --> 02:18:35,168
And she really had to...
to fight to do that.

2558
02:18:35,272 --> 02:18:37,309
Elon told me, um,
"Make sure Jenna knows

2559
02:18:37,412 --> 02:18:39,449
how much I'll always love her,"

2560
02:18:39,552 --> 02:18:41,727
and then the next day...

2561
02:18:41,830 --> 02:18:45,075
...uh, he cut off
her health insurance.

2562
02:18:45,178 --> 02:18:48,147
I vowed to destroy
the woke mind virus after that,

2563
02:18:48,250 --> 02:18:50,736
'cause it is
a prevalent mind virus

2564
02:18:50,839 --> 02:18:52,772
and arguably one of
the biggest threats

2565
02:18:52,876 --> 02:18:54,636
to modern civilization.

2566
02:18:54,740 --> 02:18:56,224
These are the guys
that run the show.

2567
02:18:56,328 --> 02:18:57,570
This is Kyle,
our editor-in-chief.

2568
02:18:57,674 --> 02:18:59,261
- Hey, how's it going?
- This is Ethan Nicolle.

2569
02:18:59,365 --> 02:19:00,608
Yeah, I mean,
we're here, we're...

2570
02:19:00,711 --> 02:19:03,127
You know, the Babylon Bee
is a Christian organization,

2571
02:19:03,231 --> 02:19:05,371
you know,
and, uh, we're a ministry.

2572
02:19:05,475 --> 02:19:06,924
Why aren't you heathens
in church?

2573
02:19:07,028 --> 02:19:09,858
We're wondering
if you could do us a quick solid

2574
02:19:09,962 --> 02:19:12,067
and accept Jesus
as your Lord and Savior.

2575
02:19:13,621 --> 02:19:15,588
Um...

2576
02:19:15,692 --> 02:19:17,763
Personal Lord and Sa-- You know?

2577
02:19:17,866 --> 02:19:19,765
It's a quick prayer.

2578
02:19:19,868 --> 02:19:20,869
Uh...

2579
02:19:23,389 --> 02:19:24,666
Um...

2580
02:19:24,770 --> 02:19:27,945
You know, if-- if--
if Jesus is, uh, saving people,

2581
02:19:28,049 --> 02:19:30,189
I mean, I-- I--
I won't stand in his way.

2582
02:19:30,292 --> 02:19:31,915
You know, like,
I mean, sure.

2583
02:19:32,018 --> 02:19:33,192
I'll be saved. Why not?

2584
02:19:33,295 --> 02:19:34,504
- Sweet. We did it.
- Yeah.

2585
02:19:34,607 --> 02:19:35,677
- I think he just said yes.
- We got him.

2586
02:19:35,781 --> 02:19:37,127
- All right.
- We got him.

2587
02:19:37,230 --> 02:19:38,853
If that's what
it takes to be saved,

2588
02:19:38,956 --> 02:19:40,579
then sounds good.

2589
02:19:42,097 --> 02:19:44,824
After the guys
from the Bee converted Elon,

2590
02:19:44,928 --> 02:19:47,379
they insulted
a top U.S. health official

2591
02:19:47,482 --> 02:19:49,346
who happened
to be a trans woman

2592
02:19:49,450 --> 02:19:51,866
by naming her Man of the Year.

2593
02:19:52,936 --> 02:19:54,869
That got them suspended
from Twitter,

2594
02:19:54,972 --> 02:19:57,872
which outraged Elon's
second wife, Talulah Riley.

2595
02:19:57,975 --> 02:19:59,460
Straight ahead!
Straight ahead!

2596
02:19:59,563 --> 02:20:02,083
Naturally,
Talulah vented to her ex.

2597
02:20:02,186 --> 02:20:04,810
Elon!

2598
02:20:18,996 --> 02:20:22,241
Hey, come on, stop it!

2599
02:20:22,344 --> 02:20:23,518
Holy shit!

2600
02:20:25,727 --> 02:20:27,211
Freedom!

2601
02:20:27,315 --> 02:20:28,661
ZOË: After January 6th,

2602
02:20:28,765 --> 02:20:31,595
we all felt like democracy
was at stake.

2603
02:20:31,699 --> 02:20:34,322
Twitter decided
to ban Donald Trump

2604
02:20:34,426 --> 02:20:36,876
because of violence
on January 6th.

2605
02:20:37,567 --> 02:20:38,809
Elon starts to feel

2606
02:20:38,913 --> 02:20:41,812
like the company
has gone way too far.

2607
02:20:43,676 --> 02:20:45,575
ZOË: If you could ban

2608
02:20:45,678 --> 02:20:47,542
the former president
of the United States

2609
02:20:47,646 --> 02:20:49,889
and take away
his most prominent platform,

2610
02:20:49,993 --> 02:20:52,547
then what did that mean
for Elon Musk?

2611
02:20:55,550 --> 02:21:00,555
A few hours ago, you made
an offer to buy Twitter.

2612
02:21:03,765 --> 02:21:04,594
Why?

2613
02:21:07,424 --> 02:21:09,012
Was there a question?

2614
02:21:09,115 --> 02:21:11,393
Why make that offer?

2615
02:21:11,497 --> 02:21:13,637
Oh, so, um...

2616
02:21:13,741 --> 02:21:15,846
Well, I think
it's very important for...

2617
02:21:15,950 --> 02:21:19,540
uh, there to be
an inclusive arena

2618
02:21:19,643 --> 02:21:21,783
for free speech.

2619
02:21:21,887 --> 02:21:23,716
Thank you. Thank you, guys.

2620
02:21:23,820 --> 02:21:25,338
ZOË: Elon makes this offer,

2621
02:21:25,442 --> 02:21:27,409
and he signs
a purchase agreement

2622
02:21:27,513 --> 02:21:31,034
that Twitter executives think
he hasn't even fully read,

2623
02:21:31,137 --> 02:21:32,967
'cause it's a very
seller-friendly agreement.

2624
02:21:33,070 --> 02:21:35,970
It doesn't leave him a lot
of wiggle room to get out of it.

2625
02:21:36,073 --> 02:21:37,903
Hey, guys.

2626
02:21:38,006 --> 02:21:40,250
Facing a lawsuit
and billions in penalties

2627
02:21:40,353 --> 02:21:41,562
if he backed out,

2628
02:21:41,665 --> 02:21:44,668
Musk agreed to honor
his inflated offer.

2629
02:21:44,772 --> 02:21:47,602
Then he turned to a few
fellow billionaires for help.

2630
02:22:05,758 --> 02:22:07,553
ZOË: It's how deals get done

2631
02:22:07,657 --> 02:22:10,591
at the upper echelons
of Silicon Valley.

2632
02:22:10,694 --> 02:22:13,801
It's Elon Musk texting
his wealthy friends saying,

2633
02:22:13,904 --> 02:22:16,044
"How about a billion?
How about two billion?"

2634
02:22:16,148 --> 02:22:17,011
"Sure, sounds good."

2635
02:22:19,945 --> 02:22:21,947
Even after some of Elon's pals

2636
02:22:22,050 --> 02:22:23,604
chipped in
to help him buy Twitter,

2637
02:22:23,707 --> 02:22:25,122
he was still short.

2638
02:22:25,226 --> 02:22:28,954
So Musk borrowed
13 billion dollars from banks,

2639
02:22:29,057 --> 02:22:31,750
with Twitter itself
as collateral.

2640
02:22:31,853 --> 02:22:33,993
Twitter, which had been
roughly breaking even,

2641
02:22:34,097 --> 02:22:37,134
would now face
massive debt payments.

2642
02:22:37,238 --> 02:22:39,585
Musk said he was trying
to save Twitter,

2643
02:22:39,689 --> 02:22:41,794
but it looked like
he might sink it.

2644
02:22:49,353 --> 02:22:51,873
ZOË: He comes into Twitter
for the first time.

2645
02:22:52,874 --> 02:22:54,151
He's carrying a sink

2646
02:22:54,255 --> 02:22:57,707
to make this joke
to his Twitter followers...

2647
02:22:57,810 --> 02:23:00,675
"Let that sink in."
Like, this is happening.

2648
02:23:13,136 --> 02:23:14,586
The company's gonna go bankrupt

2649
02:23:14,689 --> 02:23:16,933
if we do not
cut costs immediately.

2650
02:23:17,036 --> 02:23:19,349
You have four months to live.

2651
02:23:19,452 --> 02:23:22,697
A hundred and twenty days.
In 120 days, you're dead.

2652
02:23:22,801 --> 02:23:24,147
So what do you want to do?

2653
02:23:25,769 --> 02:23:28,496
ZOË: Elon comes in
with an entourage.

2654
02:23:28,600 --> 02:23:30,567
Wealthy and powerful
venture capitalists

2655
02:23:30,671 --> 02:23:32,120
and other people
in the tech industry

2656
02:23:32,224 --> 02:23:33,156
who he trusts.

2657
02:23:34,536 --> 02:23:36,573
Steve Davis is the head

2658
02:23:36,677 --> 02:23:38,575
of Musk's
tunnel-digging company,

2659
02:23:38,679 --> 02:23:39,887
The Boring Company,

2660
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:43,753
and he's one of
his top lieutenants.

2661
02:23:43,856 --> 02:23:48,792
Even Elon has joked
that Steve Davis is like chemo,

2662
02:23:48,896 --> 02:23:51,588
"A little bit of chemo
is really good,

2663
02:23:51,692 --> 02:23:53,935
and too much chemo
will kill you."

2664
02:23:55,109 --> 02:23:56,179
ZOË: There's Jason Calacanis,

2665
02:23:56,282 --> 02:23:59,872
who has a popular podcast
calledAll-In...

2666
02:23:59,976 --> 02:24:02,634
...David Sacks,
who is a billionaire,

2667
02:24:02,737 --> 02:24:05,326
and anotherAll-In podcaster.

2668
02:24:05,429 --> 02:24:08,778
Immediately, Twitter employees
called them "The Goons."

2669
02:24:08,881 --> 02:24:10,814
Elon said,
"Hey, you know, swing by."

2670
02:24:10,918 --> 02:24:12,816
- Yeah, yeah.
- But we get in there, and...

2671
02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:14,335
the place is empty.

2672
02:24:14,438 --> 02:24:15,405
We go to the cafeteria.

2673
02:24:15,508 --> 02:24:17,579
We all go get something to eat.
And we realized...

2674
02:24:17,683 --> 02:24:18,822
There were more people

2675
02:24:18,926 --> 02:24:21,411
making the food
than eating the food.

2676
02:24:21,514 --> 02:24:23,344
I think
it was shortly after that

2677
02:24:23,447 --> 02:24:26,243
you discovered an entire room

2678
02:24:26,347 --> 02:24:29,626
at the office that was filled
with "Stay Woke" T-shirts.

2679
02:24:29,730 --> 02:24:30,834
I was like, "My God, man,

2680
02:24:30,938 --> 02:24:33,319
the barbarians are fully
within the gates now."

2681
02:24:44,054 --> 02:24:45,849
ZOË:
Twitter pre-Elon is thought of

2682
02:24:45,953 --> 02:24:48,921
as a good place to work.

2683
02:24:49,025 --> 02:24:51,234
- Welcome to the roof deck.
- So much space!

2684
02:24:51,337 --> 02:24:52,580
Look at all this space!

2685
02:24:52,684 --> 02:24:54,616
- Check it out!
- Is this allowed?

2686
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:55,825
Totally!

2687
02:24:55,928 --> 02:24:57,930
ZOË: There was
this relaxed atmosphere.

2688
02:24:58,034 --> 02:24:59,380
Is this allowed?

2689
02:24:59,483 --> 02:25:01,554
It was clear from day one

2690
02:25:01,658 --> 02:25:05,731
of Elon Musk buying the company
that that was not going to fly.

2691
02:25:06,421 --> 02:25:07,975
The first day
that Elon showed up,

2692
02:25:08,078 --> 02:25:09,942
there were actually
about 20 engineers

2693
02:25:10,046 --> 02:25:11,219
from Elon's other companies

2694
02:25:11,323 --> 02:25:14,498
to essentially vet
Twitter engineering.

2695
02:25:14,602 --> 02:25:16,984
What does a Tesla engineer

2696
02:25:17,087 --> 02:25:19,227
know about the systems
at Twitter?

2697
02:25:19,676 --> 02:25:20,953
Not much.

2698
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:27,926
The engineers are in the office

2699
02:25:28,029 --> 02:25:30,583
and suddenly,
they get this urgent message.

2700
02:25:31,895 --> 02:25:33,863
ZOË: "Print out 50 pages of code

2701
02:25:33,966 --> 02:25:36,762
and get ready to show it
to Elon in person."

2702
02:25:38,246 --> 02:25:40,766
It was a bit odd
because modern software

2703
02:25:40,870 --> 02:25:44,390
has millions of lines of code
to do one thing.

2704
02:25:44,494 --> 02:25:48,222
Trying to read code on paper,
you will quickly realize

2705
02:25:48,325 --> 02:25:50,638
you're not really getting
anything out of it.

2706
02:25:50,742 --> 02:25:53,572
ZOË: Suddenly, engineers are
running all around the office

2707
02:25:53,675 --> 02:25:55,850
printing out all of this code.

2708
02:25:58,163 --> 02:26:00,061
They all print this out,
they're waiting nervously,

2709
02:26:00,165 --> 02:26:02,201
and suddenly, this other
urgent message comes in

2710
02:26:02,305 --> 02:26:04,445
that says, "Stop printing."

2711
02:26:04,548 --> 02:26:06,688
"Security risk. Shred the code."

2712
02:26:12,384 --> 02:26:14,973
The day when people

2713
02:26:15,076 --> 02:26:17,699
were running around
getting their code printed,

2714
02:26:17,803 --> 02:26:21,048
I think was the first sign

2715
02:26:21,151 --> 02:26:25,362
that some kind of list
was being made.

2716
02:26:25,466 --> 02:26:28,020
- Hey, uh, Sacks.
I see somebody--
- Oh, hey, guys. Look who's here.

2717
02:26:28,124 --> 02:26:30,229
Oh, look who it is.

2718
02:26:30,333 --> 02:26:31,852
Oh, is it the proprietor?

2719
02:26:31,955 --> 02:26:33,646
The proprietor, the owner.

2720
02:26:33,750 --> 02:26:36,373
Twitter customer support
at your service.

2721
02:26:37,789 --> 02:26:39,618
Anyone who is exceptional
at what they do,

2722
02:26:39,721 --> 02:26:41,206
where the role is critical,

2723
02:26:41,309 --> 02:26:43,898
they have a positive effect
on others,

2724
02:26:44,002 --> 02:26:45,072
um, and they are trusted,

2725
02:26:45,175 --> 02:26:46,521
meaning they put
the company's interests

2726
02:26:46,625 --> 02:26:48,765
before their own, should stay.

2727
02:26:48,869 --> 02:26:51,388
- Pretty straightforward.
- Yeah.

2728
02:26:51,492 --> 02:26:54,288
How many people are really
needed to run Twitter?

2729
02:26:56,635 --> 02:26:58,982
So it's not--
It's not like a giant number.

2730
02:27:23,835 --> 02:27:26,423
ZOË: Managers start
getting calls.

2731
02:27:26,527 --> 02:27:29,564
"We need to lay off
30 percent of your team,

2732
02:27:29,668 --> 02:27:32,291
60 percent of your team,
70 percent of this team,

2733
02:27:32,395 --> 02:27:35,294
and it needs to happen
by the following night."

2734
02:27:39,091 --> 02:27:40,265
The Trust and Safety team,

2735
02:27:40,368 --> 02:27:44,683
its role
is to make content decisions

2736
02:27:44,786 --> 02:27:47,720
to protect users
and protect advertisers,

2737
02:27:47,824 --> 02:27:51,172
and to identify networks
of accounts

2738
02:27:51,276 --> 02:27:54,555
that are operating
in nefarious ways.

2739
02:27:55,970 --> 02:27:58,697
We shouldn't have a group
called "Trust and Safety."

2740
02:28:31,212 --> 02:28:34,560
ZOË: That night we see
hundreds of employees

2741
02:28:34,664 --> 02:28:38,185
posting the blue heart
or the salute emoji on Slack.

2742
02:28:39,738 --> 02:28:40,601
They wake up

2743
02:28:40,704 --> 02:28:43,121
and about 50 percent
of the company is gone.

2744
02:28:43,224 --> 02:28:45,468
And it doesn't look like
there's any rhyme or reason

2745
02:28:45,571 --> 02:28:47,642
to how these layoffs
have played out.

2746
02:28:47,746 --> 02:28:49,541
Hey, everybody. Merry Christmas.

2747
02:28:49,644 --> 02:28:51,025
Happy holidays.

2748
02:28:51,129 --> 02:28:53,027
Sacks, how are you doing, brother?

2749
02:28:53,131 --> 02:28:54,408
You working today?

2750
02:28:54,511 --> 02:28:58,170
I'm good. They've got their own
bespoke coffee shop here.

2751
02:28:58,274 --> 02:28:59,792
Where are the people
that work there?

2752
02:29:01,415 --> 02:29:04,038
Too soon!

2753
02:29:08,180 --> 02:29:12,046
It was a...
It was a pretty somber day.

2754
02:29:12,150 --> 02:29:13,185
Some people were excited.

2755
02:29:13,289 --> 02:29:14,738
You know, there were
a group of people

2756
02:29:14,842 --> 02:29:16,326
that were super into the idea

2757
02:29:16,430 --> 02:29:19,571
of Elon running the company,
and they were very gung-ho.

2758
02:29:19,674 --> 02:29:21,297
Uh, ironically...

2759
02:29:21,400 --> 02:29:23,747
probably about half
of those folks got laid off.

2760
02:29:25,370 --> 02:29:27,855
ZOË: JP Doherty was in charge
of Twitter's command center,

2761
02:29:27,959 --> 02:29:29,167
which is kind
of the nerve system

2762
02:29:29,270 --> 02:29:31,479
of the entire organization.

2763
02:29:31,583 --> 02:29:32,894
The Goons do understand

2764
02:29:32,998 --> 02:29:35,138
that Twitter command center
is critical.

2765
02:29:35,242 --> 02:29:38,038
And if they fire that team,
Twitter will go down.

2766
02:29:38,141 --> 02:29:41,144
And suddenly, JP Doherty
is getting a lot closer

2767
02:29:41,248 --> 02:29:42,628
with Elon Musk.

2768
02:29:46,736 --> 02:29:48,393
- Is this working?
- Let's find out...

2769
02:29:48,496 --> 02:29:50,395
One-on-one, I didn't really feel

2770
02:29:50,498 --> 02:29:52,604
like he was being
particularly an asshole,

2771
02:29:52,707 --> 02:29:55,987
but then the second
somebody else comes in the room,

2772
02:29:56,090 --> 02:29:58,851
I feel like there's a...
like a mask that goes on.

2773
02:29:58,955 --> 02:30:00,681
Hey, guys.

2774
02:30:00,784 --> 02:30:01,889
You're on, too. Welcome.

2775
02:30:03,718 --> 02:30:06,376
You know,
he has to put on this persona,

2776
02:30:06,480 --> 02:30:09,207
this badass who does
whatever he wants

2777
02:30:09,310 --> 02:30:10,760
and says whatever he wants.

2778
02:30:10,863 --> 02:30:15,178
This is me, curling a 45.

2779
02:30:15,282 --> 02:30:16,559
ZOË: After this mad dash

2780
02:30:16,662 --> 02:30:19,148
to get rid of as many people
as possible,

2781
02:30:19,251 --> 02:30:21,046
Musk makes it really clear

2782
02:30:21,150 --> 02:30:23,911
what Twitter is going
to look like under him.

2783
02:30:24,015 --> 02:30:25,637
Here it is. Um...

2784
02:30:25,740 --> 02:30:27,432
- Do you want me to just read it?
- Yeah, sure.

2785
02:30:27,535 --> 02:30:28,640
Sure.

2786
02:30:28,743 --> 02:30:31,194
"Going forward, to build
a breakthrough Twitter 2.0,

2787
02:30:31,298 --> 02:30:33,955
and succeed in an increasingly
competitive world,

2788
02:30:34,059 --> 02:30:36,441
we will need
to be extremely hardcore."

2789
02:30:36,544 --> 02:30:38,960
ZOË: He sends out
this email titled,

2790
02:30:39,064 --> 02:30:40,928
"A Fork in the Road."

2791
02:30:41,032 --> 02:30:46,209
To remain, you need
to sacrifice for this mission.

2792
02:30:46,313 --> 02:30:49,109
Unspoken is that you get
to be part of

2793
02:30:49,212 --> 02:30:51,939
Elon Musk's universe.

2794
02:30:52,043 --> 02:30:54,217
For some people,
that's convincing,

2795
02:30:54,321 --> 02:30:55,563
and they sign on.

2796
02:30:55,667 --> 02:30:56,426
For a lot of people,

2797
02:30:56,530 --> 02:30:58,463
and more people
than Elon expected,

2798
02:30:58,566 --> 02:31:01,052
it's not, and they decide
to leave voluntarily.

2799
02:31:02,570 --> 02:31:05,194
Steve Davis came down
to our room and asked me,

2800
02:31:05,297 --> 02:31:06,885
"Is there anybody
you want to know about?"

2801
02:31:06,988 --> 02:31:08,335
I'd say somebody's name.

2802
02:31:08,438 --> 02:31:09,957
He'd say,
"No, they didn't sign it."

2803
02:31:10,061 --> 02:31:11,096
And I'd say, "Shit!"

2804
02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:13,167
And then he'd make
a note somewhere.

2805
02:31:13,271 --> 02:31:15,721
So every time I swore...

2806
02:31:15,825 --> 02:31:18,552
...there was a note next to that
in the spreadsheet somewhere.

2807
02:31:18,655 --> 02:31:21,141
And then those were some of
the people that they eventually

2808
02:31:21,244 --> 02:31:24,282
tried to call to get them
to come back.

2809
02:31:24,385 --> 02:31:26,249
We're all about to get fired.

2810
02:31:26,353 --> 02:31:27,768
- How long have you been here?
- Four years.

2811
02:31:27,871 --> 02:31:29,183
- Four years?
- Two months.

2812
02:31:29,287 --> 02:31:30,529
Nine years and a month.

2813
02:31:30,633 --> 02:31:32,083
Silicon Valley workers
historically

2814
02:31:32,186 --> 02:31:33,532
didn't see themselves
as workers.

2815
02:31:33,636 --> 02:31:35,741
They saw themselves
as entrepreneurs in waiting.

2816
02:31:35,845 --> 02:31:38,779
Three, two, one.

2817
02:31:38,882 --> 02:31:41,264
- Zero!
- Happy New Year! Yay!

2818
02:31:41,368 --> 02:31:44,025
And their bosses were able
to exploit this

2819
02:31:44,129 --> 02:31:45,889
by appealing
to a sense of mission.

2820
02:31:47,477 --> 02:31:49,928
Musk called it
being extremely hardcore.

2821
02:31:50,031 --> 02:31:54,035
He's saying to his workers,
"Sleep under your desk,

2822
02:31:54,139 --> 02:31:55,589
so that we can build,

2823
02:31:55,692 --> 02:31:59,455
you know, a democracy platform
for a new century."

2824
02:32:00,801 --> 02:32:02,872
That woman who did sleep
under her desk,

2825
02:32:02,975 --> 02:32:06,220
even though she
is being extremely hardcore,

2826
02:32:06,324 --> 02:32:09,050
he fires her summarily.

2827
02:32:09,154 --> 02:32:13,158
He treats them
like they're disposable cogs.

2828
02:32:18,232 --> 02:32:21,339
I had a lot of respect
for his

2829
02:32:21,442 --> 02:32:25,239
purported reasons
for buying Twitter at that time.

2830
02:32:25,343 --> 02:32:26,344
- Free speech.
- Yes.

2831
02:32:26,447 --> 02:32:28,380
It's very important,
of the utmost importance

2832
02:32:28,484 --> 02:32:31,487
that we maintain free speech
on the internet.

2833
02:32:31,590 --> 02:32:34,248
And he seemed to be
the only figure at that time

2834
02:32:34,352 --> 02:32:37,355
willing to fight that battle.

2835
02:32:37,458 --> 02:32:41,428
At that point in my life,
I was working for Seth Dillon

2836
02:32:41,531 --> 02:32:45,190
and running operations
for the Babylon Bee.

2837
02:32:45,294 --> 02:32:46,847
Elon had just
taken over Twitter,

2838
02:32:46,950 --> 02:32:50,989
and the Babylon Bee
had been banned from Twitter,

2839
02:32:51,092 --> 02:32:53,474
and they wanted
to interview Elon.

2840
02:32:54,820 --> 02:32:56,960
Elon had been messaging me,

2841
02:32:57,064 --> 02:33:00,723
and he DMed me asking
if I'm ever in San Francisco.

2842
02:33:00,826 --> 02:33:03,139
I said, "I'm supposed
to be in San Francisco

2843
02:33:03,243 --> 02:33:06,038
whenever you get back
to Seth Dillon

2844
02:33:06,142 --> 02:33:08,351
about our interview."

2845
02:33:08,455 --> 02:33:10,871
Very quickly,
I get a call from Seth saying,

2846
02:33:10,974 --> 02:33:14,737
"Can you come to San Francisco?
Elon just set a date."

2847
02:33:14,840 --> 02:33:15,738
That's how real men do it.

2848
02:33:24,022 --> 02:33:26,093
Do you feel like
it was worth it?

2849
02:33:26,197 --> 02:33:28,406
I mean, do you ever regret it
and go,

2850
02:33:28,509 --> 02:33:29,476
"Why did I do this thing

2851
02:33:29,579 --> 02:33:31,788
just to make a stand
for free speech?"

2852
02:33:31,892 --> 02:33:33,307
Like, I think it was still
the right move

2853
02:33:33,411 --> 02:33:34,550
to acquire Twitter,

2854
02:33:34,653 --> 02:33:37,656
even at the outrageously
high price.

2855
02:33:37,760 --> 02:33:40,901
He was doing something
that he thought was...

2856
02:33:41,004 --> 02:33:43,559
for a higher cause.

2857
02:33:43,662 --> 02:33:46,113
On Twitter, there was
a lot of censorship going on.

2858
02:33:46,217 --> 02:33:47,459
We sort of uncovered
a lot of that

2859
02:33:47,563 --> 02:33:49,806
with the Twitter Files.

2860
02:33:49,910 --> 02:33:52,257
The Twitter Files
were internal memos

2861
02:33:52,361 --> 02:33:54,535
that Musk leaked
to a group of reporters

2862
02:33:54,639 --> 02:33:56,088
to prove that old Twitter

2863
02:33:56,192 --> 02:33:58,298
was suppressing
right-wing voices

2864
02:33:58,401 --> 02:33:59,851
like Bari Weiss.

2865
02:33:59,954 --> 02:34:02,681
I received
a Signal message from Elon Musk

2866
02:34:02,785 --> 02:34:04,787
asking if I was interested
in looking

2867
02:34:04,890 --> 02:34:06,823
at Twitter's archives.

2868
02:34:06,961 --> 02:34:08,169
What we found is

2869
02:34:08,273 --> 02:34:10,413
Twitter claimed to be
the public square,

2870
02:34:10,517 --> 02:34:15,038
but it was privately
blacklisting certain ideas,

2871
02:34:15,142 --> 02:34:18,904
people, debates,
suppressing others.

2872
02:34:21,562 --> 02:34:23,633
It sounded bad.

2873
02:34:23,737 --> 02:34:25,739
While Musk
and his handpicked journalists

2874
02:34:25,842 --> 02:34:28,673
were right that some accounts
were banned or flagged,

2875
02:34:28,776 --> 02:34:31,745
the old Twitter
wasn't a woke-athon.

2876
02:34:31,848 --> 02:34:33,954
This Twitter,
Facebook is so great.

2877
02:34:34,057 --> 02:34:35,404
I type out, you know,

2878
02:34:35,507 --> 02:34:37,337
ding, ding, ding--
I'll do it myself.

2879
02:34:37,440 --> 02:34:39,822
Ding, ding,
dong, dong, ding, press.

2880
02:34:39,925 --> 02:34:41,548
Before Musk bought Twitter,

2881
02:34:41,651 --> 02:34:44,413
Donald Trump
had 89 million followers

2882
02:34:44,516 --> 02:34:46,967
who helped propel him
to the presidency.

2883
02:34:48,451 --> 02:34:51,178
Musk reversed
the Twitter ban on Trump.

2884
02:34:51,282 --> 02:34:54,802
He also welcomed back
many other banned accounts.

2885
02:34:59,428 --> 02:35:01,153
When Musk fired 80 percent

2886
02:35:01,257 --> 02:35:03,639
of Twitter's
Trust and Safety team,

2887
02:35:03,742 --> 02:35:06,469
the platform was flooded
with Nazi shit posters,

2888
02:35:06,573 --> 02:35:08,126
online impersonators,

2889
02:35:08,229 --> 02:35:10,128
and bad actors peddling links

2890
02:35:10,231 --> 02:35:12,786
to images
of child sexual abuse.

2891
02:35:12,889 --> 02:35:16,030
Free speech is meaningless
unless you allow people

2892
02:35:16,134 --> 02:35:18,895
you don't like
to say things you don't like.

2893
02:35:21,967 --> 02:35:23,831
ZOË:
You're a free speech absolutist

2894
02:35:23,935 --> 02:35:25,281
until your platform

2895
02:35:25,385 --> 02:35:27,145
has child sexual
exploitation material on it.

2896
02:35:27,248 --> 02:35:29,354
Then you really need
to take that down really quick.

2897
02:35:30,528 --> 02:35:31,874
From a business perspective,

2898
02:35:31,977 --> 02:35:33,910
Twitter is
an advertising platform.

2899
02:35:34,014 --> 02:35:36,119
Ninety percent
of the company's revenue

2900
02:35:36,223 --> 02:35:38,087
came from advertisers.

2901
02:35:38,190 --> 02:35:40,641
They don't want to spend money
on a platform

2902
02:35:40,745 --> 02:35:44,921
and then have their ads show up
next to offensive posts.

2903
02:35:45,025 --> 02:35:48,511
As Elon Musk continues
to act quite erratically

2904
02:35:48,615 --> 02:35:50,410
and say really
offensive things online,

2905
02:35:50,513 --> 02:35:52,343
advertisers flee.

2906
02:35:54,206 --> 02:35:56,864
For Elon, the idea that there's
still this group of people

2907
02:35:56,968 --> 02:36:01,213
who can punish him for saying
the wrong thing is maddening.

2908
02:36:01,317 --> 02:36:03,630
The entire reason that
he is taking Twitter private

2909
02:36:03,733 --> 02:36:05,666
is to have maximum control.

2910
02:36:05,770 --> 02:36:08,807
There was all of the criticism.
There was advertisers leaving.

2911
02:36:08,911 --> 02:36:11,431
- We talked to Bob Iger today--
- I hope they stop.

2912
02:36:11,534 --> 02:36:13,847
- You hope--
- Don't advertise.

2913
02:36:13,950 --> 02:36:15,849
- You don't want them
to advertise?
- No.

2914
02:36:15,952 --> 02:36:18,472
What do you mean?

2915
02:36:18,576 --> 02:36:19,818
If somebody's gonna try

2916
02:36:19,922 --> 02:36:21,510
to blackmail me
with advertising,

2917
02:36:21,613 --> 02:36:24,582
blackmail me with money,
go fuck yourself.

2918
02:36:27,895 --> 02:36:31,312
- But...
- Go fuck yourself.

2919
02:36:32,831 --> 02:36:33,936
Is that clear?

2920
02:36:34,523 --> 02:36:35,696
I hope it is.

2921
02:36:37,940 --> 02:36:39,838
When advertisers
fled Twitter,

2922
02:36:39,942 --> 02:36:43,117
revenues dropped
by 2.5 billion dollars,

2923
02:36:43,221 --> 02:36:46,086
and the company lost
80 percent of its value.

2924
02:36:47,328 --> 02:36:48,847
ZOË:
What was he doing this for?

2925
02:36:48,951 --> 02:36:51,263
He said it was about
the woke mind virus,

2926
02:36:51,367 --> 02:36:52,817
or he said
it was about free speech,

2927
02:36:52,920 --> 02:36:55,026
but it became really clear
that those weren't

2928
02:36:55,129 --> 02:36:56,717
actually the reason.

2929
02:36:56,821 --> 02:36:59,720
And when I started to hear
about what had happened

2930
02:36:59,824 --> 02:37:01,722
the night of the Super Bowl,
it clicked for me.

2931
02:37:01,826 --> 02:37:04,069
Loaded up, taking a shot,

2932
02:37:04,173 --> 02:37:05,588
looking for A.J. Brown!

2933
02:37:05,692 --> 02:37:07,625
He's got it!

2934
02:37:07,728 --> 02:37:10,869
Elon Musk taking in
Super Bowl LVII...

2935
02:37:10,973 --> 02:37:12,837
ZOË: Elon Musk
is at the Super Bowl,

2936
02:37:12,940 --> 02:37:15,564
and he sends
a pretty innocuous tweet.

2937
02:37:17,393 --> 02:37:20,361
ZOË: Joe Biden posts a tweet
just like Elon's.

2938
02:37:22,847 --> 02:37:25,919
ZOË: Biden's tweet gets
much more engagement

2939
02:37:26,022 --> 02:37:27,161
than Elon Musk's.

2940
02:37:27,265 --> 02:37:29,992
Why is Joe Biden,
who sucks at tweeting,

2941
02:37:30,095 --> 02:37:31,683
getting more engagement
than he is?

2942
02:37:31,787 --> 02:37:33,409
He's really good
at using Twitter.

2943
02:37:33,513 --> 02:37:35,480
He's hilarious. He owns Twitter.

2944
02:37:36,999 --> 02:37:39,346
He's getting more
and more furious about this.

2945
02:37:39,450 --> 02:37:41,486
He's convinced
that a Twitter employee

2946
02:37:41,590 --> 02:37:43,039
has planted a bug
in the algorithm

2947
02:37:43,143 --> 02:37:46,802
to purposely suppress
the like count on his posts.

2948
02:37:48,148 --> 02:37:49,425
The Eagles lose,

2949
02:37:49,529 --> 02:37:51,703
this is yet
another blow to him.

2950
02:37:51,807 --> 02:37:53,394
Then he gets
on his private jet,

2951
02:37:53,498 --> 02:37:54,706
and he's livid.

2952
02:37:55,707 --> 02:37:58,261
He flies right
to Twitter's offices

2953
02:37:58,365 --> 02:37:59,746
and it's all hands on deck.

2954
02:38:01,748 --> 02:38:04,129
ZOË: About 80 engineers
work through the night

2955
02:38:04,233 --> 02:38:06,856
reconfiguring the algorithm.

2956
02:38:06,960 --> 02:38:09,618
The next day I got on my phone,

2957
02:38:09,721 --> 02:38:11,999
and my entire feed
was Elon Musk.

2958
02:38:14,657 --> 02:38:17,211
A team of engineers
had made that decision

2959
02:38:17,315 --> 02:38:19,662
very deliberately
to try and appease him.

2960
02:38:21,733 --> 02:38:24,287
Elon Musk can make
those tweaks to the algorithm

2961
02:38:24,391 --> 02:38:26,186
to make
his own experience better,

2962
02:38:26,289 --> 02:38:27,498
but it almost automatically

2963
02:38:27,601 --> 02:38:31,053
makes everyone else's
experience worse.

2964
02:38:31,156 --> 02:38:34,781
Elon's engagement
with Twitter, now X,

2965
02:38:34,884 --> 02:38:39,544
is kind of central to the story
of just how his ethics

2966
02:38:39,648 --> 02:38:42,547
and his personality
have completely unraveled.

2967
02:38:42,651 --> 02:38:45,826
His addiction
to having the platform

2968
02:38:45,930 --> 02:38:48,829
and having that dopaminergic
reward schedule

2969
02:38:48,933 --> 02:38:51,349
with hundreds of millions
of fans,

2970
02:38:51,452 --> 02:38:53,869
it's just been disastrous
for him as a person.

2971
02:38:58,390 --> 02:39:03,119
ZOË: Elon and The Goons didn't
come in wanting to learn.

2972
02:39:03,223 --> 02:39:05,018
They came in confident
in the fact that

2973
02:39:05,121 --> 02:39:07,779
while Twitter
might become less stable,

2974
02:39:07,883 --> 02:39:10,023
when the dust settled,

2975
02:39:10,126 --> 02:39:13,958
they'd be able to rebuild
Twitter in Elon's image.

2976
02:39:15,476 --> 02:39:19,826
Twitter is the place where Elon
can tell his side of history.

2977
02:39:42,987 --> 02:39:45,058
Elon moved
from promoting free speech

2978
02:39:45,161 --> 02:39:48,026
to fee speech,
paying creators for engagement

2979
02:39:48,130 --> 02:39:50,304
which boosted
inflammatory clickbait

2980
02:39:50,408 --> 02:39:51,754
that kept people
on the platform.

2981
02:39:53,169 --> 02:39:55,413
If lies spread faster
than the truth,

2982
02:39:55,516 --> 02:39:58,071
that was a feature, not a bug.

2983
02:39:58,692 --> 02:40:00,660
Then Musk began banning
his critics

2984
02:40:00,763 --> 02:40:03,628
and favoring voices
who pushed his views.

2985
02:40:06,873 --> 02:40:08,633
He also lent the power
of his platform

2986
02:40:08,737 --> 02:40:10,739
to politicians
who could enrich him,

2987
02:40:10,842 --> 02:40:13,362
like India's leader,
Narendra Modi,

2988
02:40:13,465 --> 02:40:16,676
who can open up
an enormous market for Tesla.

2989
02:40:18,022 --> 02:40:20,058
When he goes
into a room in India

2990
02:40:20,162 --> 02:40:22,578
and he's the head of Tesla
or the head of Starlink,

2991
02:40:22,682 --> 02:40:23,683
he's not special.

2992
02:40:23,786 --> 02:40:24,856
When he goes
into those countries

2993
02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:27,169
as owner of Twitter...

2994
02:40:36,730 --> 02:40:38,180
Sí.

2995
02:40:45,497 --> 02:40:46,809
Brazil's former president,

2996
02:40:46,913 --> 02:40:48,086
Jair Bolsonaro,

2997
02:40:48,190 --> 02:40:50,951
was found guilty of using
his presidential powers

2998
02:40:51,055 --> 02:40:54,748
to undermine the integrity
of the 2022 elections.

2999
02:40:54,852 --> 02:40:56,957
He praised tech tycoon
Elon Musk,

3000
02:40:57,061 --> 02:40:59,719
who lashed out
at Bolsonaro's archenemy,

3001
02:40:59,822 --> 02:41:02,998
Supreme Court Judge
Alexandre de Moraes.

3002
02:41:15,355 --> 02:41:17,564
Turkey's president,
Recep Tayyip Erdogan,

3003
02:41:17,668 --> 02:41:21,672
invited Musk to build his next
Tesla factory in Turkey.

3004
02:41:24,122 --> 02:41:26,884
ZOË: As he courts
right-wing politicians

3005
02:41:26,987 --> 02:41:28,264
around the globe,

3006
02:41:28,368 --> 02:41:31,854
he's also behind the scenes
using those relationships

3007
02:41:31,958 --> 02:41:36,031
to get business incentives
for Tesla and SpaceX.

3008
02:41:36,134 --> 02:41:37,791
And there's
this symbiotic relationship

3009
02:41:37,895 --> 02:41:39,103
between all of his businesses

3010
02:41:39,206 --> 02:41:40,863
that makes them
very hard to touch.

3011
02:41:40,967 --> 02:41:45,523
Three, two, one, and liftoff.

3012
02:41:45,626 --> 02:41:47,767
Go Falcon, go Starlink.

3013
02:41:53,911 --> 02:41:55,153
ZOË: Governments
all around the world

3014
02:41:55,257 --> 02:41:57,915
are really reliant
on Starlink at this point.

3015
02:41:58,018 --> 02:42:00,607
And that's a huge source,
maybe not of wealth

3016
02:42:00,711 --> 02:42:02,367
as much as power.

3017
02:42:06,717 --> 02:42:10,168
We're building our own
constellation of satellites,

3018
02:42:10,272 --> 02:42:13,275
creating a global
communication system.

3019
02:42:13,378 --> 02:42:15,691
This is quite
an ambitious effort.

3020
02:42:15,795 --> 02:42:17,003
In the long term,

3021
02:42:17,106 --> 02:42:19,730
it would be like rebuilding
the internet in space.

3022
02:42:19,833 --> 02:42:21,524
And, you know, at the same time,
we also make sure

3023
02:42:21,628 --> 02:42:23,147
we don't create Skynet.

3024
02:42:23,250 --> 02:42:25,356
Um...

3025
02:42:25,459 --> 02:42:29,532
Starlink is really designed
to serve the least served.

3026
02:42:35,918 --> 02:42:37,023
Russia had actually

3027
02:42:37,126 --> 02:42:38,645
taken out all of
the satellite communications

3028
02:42:38,749 --> 02:42:39,991
and all of
the ground communications

3029
02:42:40,095 --> 02:42:41,475
except for Starlink.

3030
02:42:41,579 --> 02:42:43,201
Starlink today is the backbone

3031
02:42:43,305 --> 02:42:45,825
of the Ukrainian
military communications.

3032
02:42:52,935 --> 02:42:54,937
We've been
so grateful to SpaceX

3033
02:42:55,041 --> 02:42:56,836
and to Elon Musk.

3034
02:42:56,939 --> 02:43:00,460
Without Starlink, uh,
none of our offensives,

3035
02:43:00,563 --> 02:43:02,669
uh, would be so successful.

3036
02:43:02,773 --> 02:43:06,880
I sure hope we can figure out
some means to peace soon.

3037
02:43:08,779 --> 02:43:10,642
Even as Musk
basked in praise

3038
02:43:10,746 --> 02:43:12,748
for providing Starlink to help
Ukraine

3039
02:43:12,852 --> 02:43:14,750
defend itself against Russia,

3040
02:43:14,854 --> 02:43:16,441
he did something very strange.

3041
02:43:17,615 --> 02:43:19,582
Following discussions
with Putin

3042
02:43:19,686 --> 02:43:21,101
and other Russian officials,

3043
02:43:21,205 --> 02:43:24,587
Musk turned off Starlink
on critical battlefields

3044
02:43:24,691 --> 02:43:26,451
and refused to turn on Starlink

3045
02:43:26,555 --> 02:43:30,283
during a Ukrainian waterborne
drone attack near Crimea.

3046
02:43:31,491 --> 02:43:34,287
As the drone stalled out
in Russian territory,

3047
02:43:34,390 --> 02:43:37,324
American military officials
frantically called Musk

3048
02:43:37,428 --> 02:43:38,394
to reconsider.

3049
02:43:39,292 --> 02:43:41,294
Musk refused.

3050
02:43:41,984 --> 02:43:43,192
He refused a Ukrainian request

3051
02:43:43,296 --> 02:43:45,022
to activate Starlink in Crimea

3052
02:43:45,125 --> 02:43:47,921
to launch an attack
on Russian ships, reportedly

3053
02:43:48,025 --> 02:43:49,405
because a Russian official
warned him

3054
02:43:49,509 --> 02:43:51,338
that that could lead
to a nuclear response.

3055
02:43:51,442 --> 02:43:53,582
And I guess
that must be true, right?

3056
02:43:53,685 --> 02:43:55,170
What are Russian officials
gonna do?

3057
02:43:55,273 --> 02:43:58,380
Lie to an easily flattered CEO
to get exactly what they want?

3058
02:43:58,483 --> 02:44:00,037
Nah, I don't see it.

3059
02:44:00,140 --> 02:44:04,213
And look, Elon still insists
that he is pro-Ukraine, and...

3060
02:44:04,317 --> 02:44:05,318
okay.

3061
02:44:05,421 --> 02:44:07,596
But U.S. officials are now
in the awkward position

3062
02:44:07,699 --> 02:44:11,220
of having to defer to him
on policy.

3063
02:44:11,324 --> 02:44:14,430
If you're a businessman,
it can be intoxicating

3064
02:44:14,534 --> 02:44:17,192
when your company's technology
is so essential

3065
02:44:17,295 --> 02:44:21,196
that you can personally steer
foreign policy for the nation

3066
02:44:21,299 --> 02:44:23,957
and infuriating when back home,

3067
02:44:24,061 --> 02:44:26,511
you don't get the respect
you think you deserve.

3068
02:44:33,035 --> 02:44:36,038
When they make
the first electric Corvette,

3069
02:44:36,142 --> 02:44:39,317
I get to drive it.
Right, Mary?

3070
02:44:39,421 --> 02:44:42,079
You think I'm kidding.
I'm not kidding.

3071
02:44:42,182 --> 02:44:43,943
There's this big
EV summit at the White House,

3072
02:44:44,046 --> 02:44:45,392
much fanfare about it.

3073
02:44:45,496 --> 02:44:46,773
- All right.
- All right.

3074
02:44:48,119 --> 02:44:50,190
Tesla gets a call
ahead of it saying,

3075
02:44:50,294 --> 02:44:52,089
"Sorry, you're not
going to be invited."

3076
02:44:53,953 --> 02:44:56,438
Elon is famously anti-union,

3077
02:44:56,541 --> 02:44:58,785
and this became
a point of tension

3078
02:44:58,889 --> 02:45:01,892
throughout the entire
Biden White House.

3079
02:45:09,244 --> 02:45:11,246
He was very upset.

3080
02:45:11,349 --> 02:45:13,731
I even went as far
as to call Steve Ricchetti,

3081
02:45:13,834 --> 02:45:15,595
who works for Biden,
and I said,

3082
02:45:15,698 --> 02:45:16,803
"Boy, have you made a mistake.

3083
02:45:16,907 --> 02:45:18,115
He's really mad."

3084
02:45:18,218 --> 02:45:20,358
And he's like,
"Oh, you know, it's the unions.

3085
02:45:20,462 --> 02:45:22,050
He should understand.
He's a big boy."

3086
02:45:22,153 --> 02:45:24,638
And I was like,
"No, he's not a big boy."

3087
02:45:27,089 --> 02:45:29,609
You know, like, Biden held
this, uh, EV summit.

3088
02:45:30,472 --> 02:45:31,852
Um...

3089
02:45:31,956 --> 02:45:33,268
Didn't invite Tesla.

3090
02:45:34,476 --> 02:45:37,168
Didn't mention Tesla once
and praised GM and Ford

3091
02:45:37,272 --> 02:45:39,032
for leading the EV revolution.

3092
02:45:40,931 --> 02:45:42,173
So you were pissed.

3093
02:45:42,277 --> 02:45:46,798
Does this sound, uh, maybe
a little biased or something?

3094
02:45:46,902 --> 02:45:49,042
It's not
the friendliest administration.

3095
02:46:10,822 --> 02:46:13,722
New Year's,
we were in St. Barts,

3096
02:46:13,825 --> 02:46:16,552
and the discussions of politics
had picked up,

3097
02:46:16,656 --> 02:46:20,211
and we would go back and forth
for hours.

3098
02:46:21,799 --> 02:46:26,873
At that point in my life,
I was in the right-wing sphere,

3099
02:46:26,977 --> 02:46:29,600
in the conservative side
of politics,

3100
02:46:29,703 --> 02:46:31,153
the MAGA world.

3101
02:46:31,257 --> 02:46:33,569
Hey, guys, we're out here
keeping America great again!

3102
02:46:33,673 --> 02:46:35,744
- Yeah, we are.
- Yes, absolutely.

3103
02:46:36,987 --> 02:46:39,299
Here with Don Jr.,
ready to build the wall.

3104
02:46:39,403 --> 02:46:41,819
- We're at the--
- Ashley! Whoo!

3105
02:46:41,922 --> 02:46:45,788
We were very involved
in a relationship and also...

3106
02:46:45,892 --> 02:46:49,654
he trusted me with a lot of...

3107
02:46:49,758 --> 02:46:52,830
strategic issues that he had.

3108
02:46:54,418 --> 02:46:56,385
At one point,
he wanted me to connect him

3109
02:46:56,489 --> 02:46:58,767
to critical senators in Brazil

3110
02:46:58,870 --> 02:47:01,183
when he had the big issue
with X in Brazil.

3111
02:47:02,805 --> 02:47:03,979
We would go back and forth

3112
02:47:04,083 --> 02:47:06,050
about different strategies
he had.

3113
02:47:09,053 --> 02:47:13,402
He was originally more
on the DeSantis side.

3114
02:47:13,506 --> 02:47:17,544
I had told him that DeSantis
is never gonna win.

3115
02:47:17,648 --> 02:47:19,995
There is just
an aura around Trump

3116
02:47:20,099 --> 02:47:21,859
that nobody
was gonna get around,

3117
02:47:21,962 --> 02:47:24,103
and they wanted
that comeback story.

3118
02:47:24,206 --> 02:47:28,900
And eventually...
Elon went pretty hardcore Trump.

3119
02:47:29,004 --> 02:47:32,732
He was like,
this is... the way to win.

3120
02:47:35,631 --> 02:47:37,909
Elon thought Trump
is a much easier president

3121
02:47:38,013 --> 02:47:40,084
to buy, which...

3122
02:47:40,188 --> 02:47:43,777
is convenient for someone
with that many carrots.

3123
02:47:43,881 --> 02:47:48,092
What is the most entertaining
outcome for the election?

3124
02:47:48,196 --> 02:47:50,198
That's probably
what's gonna happen.

3125
02:47:53,891 --> 02:47:56,721
If you want to really
see something that's sad,

3126
02:47:56,825 --> 02:47:59,690
take a look at what happened--

3127
02:47:59,793 --> 02:48:01,692
Get down, get down,
get down, get down.

3128
02:48:05,523 --> 02:48:07,284
What are you doing?
What are you doing?

3129
02:48:11,322 --> 02:48:13,428
Watch out. Face down, get down.

3130
02:48:15,119 --> 02:48:19,503
We love you!

3131
02:48:23,093 --> 02:48:25,060
Elon had solidified to me

3132
02:48:25,164 --> 02:48:26,924
well before Trump was shot

3133
02:48:27,027 --> 02:48:28,822
that he was all in for Trump.

3134
02:48:28,926 --> 02:48:31,273
He just thought
that was a great opportunity.

3135
02:48:31,377 --> 02:48:33,655
- It was a good story.
- It is a great story.

3136
02:48:33,758 --> 02:48:37,762
So Elon endorsed me recently,
the other day, actually.

3137
02:48:39,695 --> 02:48:40,800
He's great.

3138
02:48:41,835 --> 02:48:43,596
Elon Musk.

3139
02:48:43,699 --> 02:48:46,530
Did you have a sense
of why he was so in for Trump?

3140
02:48:47,427 --> 02:48:50,741
He had told me that there were

3141
02:48:50,844 --> 02:48:54,848
at least half a dozen
initiatives of significance,

3142
02:48:54,952 --> 02:48:58,093
investigations into him
and his companies

3143
02:48:58,197 --> 02:49:00,406
from the Biden administration.

3144
02:49:03,995 --> 02:49:07,516
He had told me verbatim,
"I can't be president,

3145
02:49:07,620 --> 02:49:10,450
but I can help Trump
beat Biden.

3146
02:49:10,554 --> 02:49:14,420
And he'll sweep away
these investigations."

3147
02:49:16,629 --> 02:49:19,045
Under the Biden administration,

3148
02:49:19,149 --> 02:49:20,909
Elon was shut out
of the White House,

3149
02:49:21,012 --> 02:49:24,154
but also he started to feel like
he was being persecuted by it.

3150
02:49:25,707 --> 02:49:27,398
The Justice Department
started looking

3151
02:49:27,502 --> 02:49:30,919
into hiring practices
at Tesla.

3152
02:49:32,576 --> 02:49:34,371
The Federal Communications
Commission

3153
02:49:34,474 --> 02:49:35,786
was not giving Starlink

3154
02:49:35,889 --> 02:49:39,272
a bunch of subsidies
that the company had wanted.

3155
02:49:40,239 --> 02:49:41,378
Elon really started to believe

3156
02:49:41,481 --> 02:49:43,932
that was very much
politically motivated.

3157
02:49:47,936 --> 02:49:52,216
If Kamala Harris wins,
his goose is cooked.

3158
02:49:53,562 --> 02:49:56,289
His businesses
are gonna be under scrutiny,

3159
02:49:56,393 --> 02:49:57,739
and they're gonna find things.

3160
02:49:57,842 --> 02:50:00,190
"Hey, what are you doing
with the Chinese government?"

3161
02:50:00,293 --> 02:50:03,123
"Hey, full self-driving,
you said this, but this."

3162
02:50:03,227 --> 02:50:06,299
"You were talking to Putin.
Hey, what are you doing here?"

3163
02:50:08,715 --> 02:50:11,062
His only choice
was helping Trump,

3164
02:50:11,166 --> 02:50:12,857
and Trump
would leave him alone.

3165
02:50:15,791 --> 02:50:18,760
Elon Musk funneled
nearly 300 million dollars

3166
02:50:18,863 --> 02:50:20,555
into Trump's campaign.

3167
02:50:20,658 --> 02:50:22,212
The massive scale of the bet

3168
02:50:22,315 --> 02:50:24,731
suggested the stakes
were not just political.

3169
02:50:25,353 --> 02:50:26,940
They were personal.

3170
02:50:27,044 --> 02:50:28,804
Eleven departments
of the federal government

3171
02:50:28,908 --> 02:50:32,601
had launched 32 investigations
into his companies,

3172
02:50:32,705 --> 02:50:36,260
including one criminal case
into Autopilot fraud

3173
02:50:36,364 --> 02:50:39,229
that threatened
to land Musk in prison

3174
02:50:39,332 --> 02:50:42,266
unless Trump won.

3175
02:50:42,370 --> 02:50:44,164
If he loses, man, what--

3176
02:50:46,408 --> 02:50:47,927
I'm-- I'm--

3177
02:50:48,030 --> 02:50:50,447
You're fucked, dude.
I'm fucked.

3178
02:50:50,550 --> 02:50:51,758
If he loses, I'm fucked.

3179
02:50:51,862 --> 02:50:53,484
-  You're like--
- Yeah, I'm like,

3180
02:50:53,588 --> 02:50:55,762
"How long do you think
my prison sentence is gonna be,

3181
02:50:55,866 --> 02:50:56,763
do you think?"

3182
02:50:56,867 --> 02:50:58,972
Will I see my children?
I don't know.

3183
02:51:01,492 --> 02:51:04,530
His name is Elon Musk.

3184
02:51:04,633 --> 02:51:07,705
He saved free speech.
He created...

3185
02:51:09,086 --> 02:51:12,745
so many different great things.
Where is-- Where is he?

3186
02:51:13,815 --> 02:51:15,368
Come here.

3187
02:51:15,472 --> 02:51:17,197
Take over, Elon. Just take over.

3188
02:51:19,821 --> 02:51:21,823
The black MAGA hat he had,

3189
02:51:21,926 --> 02:51:24,446
I'd given that to him
at my house

3190
02:51:24,550 --> 02:51:26,103
with my mother.

3191
02:51:26,206 --> 02:51:29,175
And he puts it on and he says,
"I'm dark MAGA now."

3192
02:51:31,902 --> 02:51:33,938
As you can see,
I'm not just MAGA,

3193
02:51:34,042 --> 02:51:36,147
I'm dark MAGA.

3194
02:51:36,251 --> 02:51:39,703
He wore it everywhere.
He didn't take it off.

3195
02:51:42,153 --> 02:51:43,810
Then I had another hat made
for him,

3196
02:51:43,914 --> 02:51:45,225
the dark gothic MAGA.

3197
02:51:47,089 --> 02:51:48,401
I'm not just MAGA.

3198
02:51:49,057 --> 02:51:51,404
I'm dark, gothic MAGA.

3199
02:51:52,785 --> 02:51:55,857
At that point, he's everywhere.
You can't get away from him.

3200
02:51:55,960 --> 02:51:57,686
You walk down the street,
there's his cars.

3201
02:51:57,790 --> 02:51:59,343
You turn on the TV, he's there.

3202
02:51:59,447 --> 02:52:03,347
Everyone's asking you about him,
and he's everywhere.

3203
02:52:03,451 --> 02:52:05,591
Those who say Trump
is a threat to democracy

3204
02:52:05,694 --> 02:52:08,007
are themselves the threat
to democracy.

3205
02:52:10,354 --> 02:52:12,667
What the Democrat administration
has been doing

3206
02:52:12,770 --> 02:52:16,118
is importing vast numbers
of illegals into swing states.

3207
02:52:16,222 --> 02:52:17,430
If we don't elect Trump,

3208
02:52:17,534 --> 02:52:20,088
I think--
I think we will lose, uh...

3209
02:52:20,191 --> 02:52:22,401
we will ac-- we will lose
democracy in this country.

3210
02:52:22,504 --> 02:52:25,645
Listen, I... I love America,

3211
02:52:25,749 --> 02:52:27,371
and, like,
sometimes people say, like,

3212
02:52:27,475 --> 02:52:29,028
"That's just
jingoistic propaganda."

3213
02:52:29,131 --> 02:52:30,270
I'm like, "I don't care."

3214
02:52:30,374 --> 02:52:33,135
I love
the jingoistic propaganda.

3215
02:52:33,239 --> 02:52:34,551
It's awesome.

3216
02:52:40,867 --> 02:52:43,491
We were
in the pool with the kids,

3217
02:52:43,594 --> 02:52:46,183
and he had
to jump out really quick

3218
02:52:46,286 --> 02:52:48,392
and call Rupert Murdoch

3219
02:52:48,496 --> 02:52:51,671
because there was
a Wall Street Journalpiece

3220
02:52:51,775 --> 02:52:54,812
about drug use
and all of this stuff.

3221
02:52:54,916 --> 02:52:59,127
He wanted to call Rupert
to try to get this stopped.

3222
02:53:01,923 --> 02:53:07,273
Elon had been using LSD,
ecstasy, cocaine, and mushrooms.

3223
02:53:07,377 --> 02:53:10,069
It had gotten to the level
that it had raised concerns

3224
02:53:10,172 --> 02:53:12,451
with some of the leadership
at some of his companies.

3225
02:53:12,554 --> 02:53:14,729
A lot has been written
about his drug use.

3226
02:53:14,832 --> 02:53:17,525
Is that something
that you saw as a problem?

3227
02:53:20,286 --> 02:53:23,462
I'm not at liberty
to discuss that.

3228
02:53:27,673 --> 02:53:29,813
One time we were in my bedroom

3229
02:53:29,916 --> 02:53:32,436
and I was talking about
how men don't vote.

3230
02:53:32,540 --> 02:53:35,681
He gets up very energetically
and he says,

3231
02:53:35,784 --> 02:53:37,924
"They will vote.
I will make them vote.

3232
02:53:38,028 --> 02:53:41,031
I'm the best goddamn general
in the world."

3233
02:53:41,134 --> 02:53:43,930
I'm just like saying this is
a message to the men out there.

3234
02:53:44,034 --> 02:53:45,345
Vote like your life
depends on it

3235
02:53:45,449 --> 02:53:46,761
because I think it does.

3236
02:53:46,864 --> 02:53:49,177
Vote. Vote tomorrow
like your life depends on it.

3237
02:53:49,280 --> 02:53:50,523
Nothing is more important.

3238
02:53:50,627 --> 02:53:53,284
And he's like,
"But they'll just need a carrot.

3239
02:53:53,388 --> 02:53:54,976
You gotta dangle a carrot."

3240
02:53:55,701 --> 02:53:57,219
And then he announced his...

3241
02:53:58,013 --> 02:53:59,774
million-dollar prize.

3242
02:53:59,877 --> 02:54:02,811
So every day
between now and the election,

3243
02:54:02,915 --> 02:54:05,020
we'll be awarding
a million dollars,

3244
02:54:05,124 --> 02:54:06,297
starting tonight.

3245
02:54:11,855 --> 02:54:12,959
All right.

3246
02:54:13,063 --> 02:54:14,789
Let's go. Thank you.

3247
02:54:15,859 --> 02:54:16,756
So...

3248
02:54:16,860 --> 02:54:20,104
By the way,
John had no idea.

3249
02:54:21,934 --> 02:54:24,764
So... anyway, you're welcome.

3250
02:54:24,868 --> 02:54:29,528
Uh, and...

3251
02:54:29,631 --> 02:54:31,150
Yeah!
Yeah.

3252
02:54:33,601 --> 02:54:36,638
Elon! Elon! Elon! Elon!

3253
02:54:40,090 --> 02:54:44,128
He very much views money
as a carrot he can dangle.

3254
02:54:44,232 --> 02:54:45,198
Freedom!

3255
02:54:47,477 --> 02:54:49,893
I had realized
that the free speech thing

3256
02:54:49,996 --> 02:54:50,997
might have been...

3257
02:54:52,274 --> 02:54:53,759
a bit performative.

3258
02:54:56,934 --> 02:55:00,835
There wasn't a moment
that it turned for me.

3259
02:55:00,938 --> 02:55:03,734
It was just all
of these different data points

3260
02:55:03,838 --> 02:55:05,736
that I had collected over time.

3261
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:07,358
...vague promises...

3262
02:55:07,462 --> 02:55:09,360
I think it was
before Madison Square Garden,

3263
02:55:09,464 --> 02:55:11,604
the Trump rally. I saw him

3264
02:55:11,742 --> 02:55:15,435
beforehand,
and little X was there,

3265
02:55:15,539 --> 02:55:19,060
and the other two,
Tau and Y, were not.

3266
02:55:19,163 --> 02:55:20,648
From sky-high inflation...

3267
02:55:20,751 --> 02:55:21,925
I said, "Why aren't they here?"

3268
02:55:22,028 --> 02:55:25,273
And he said, "Well, that's
because X is my favorite."

3269
02:55:25,376 --> 02:55:27,655
...finance,
the cost of groceries...

3270
02:55:27,758 --> 02:55:29,829
X was so favored by Musk

3271
02:55:29,933 --> 02:55:32,867
that he took him away
from his mother, Grimes,

3272
02:55:32,970 --> 02:55:35,594
who didn't want him out in
public on the campaign trail.

3273
02:55:39,805 --> 02:55:42,842
X, X,
should we save President Trump?

3274
02:55:43,912 --> 02:55:46,190
- Yes? Yes. Yes.
- Yes.

3275
02:55:48,054 --> 02:55:50,678
Even as Elon
was campaigning with X,

3276
02:55:50,781 --> 02:55:53,404
Grimes, aka Claire Boucher,

3277
02:55:53,508 --> 02:55:54,716
was battling Musk in court

3278
02:55:54,820 --> 02:55:57,270
over custody of X
and their other children.

3279
02:55:58,720 --> 02:56:01,585
She claimed that Musk
was keeping them from her.

3280
02:56:03,138 --> 02:56:07,833
I would see certain interactions
he was having with Claire...

3281
02:56:08,903 --> 02:56:11,768
that were incredibly concerning.

3282
02:56:11,871 --> 02:56:17,601
We were at his house
and Claire was texting him...

3283
02:56:17,705 --> 02:56:21,294
pleading about a situation
with little X.

3284
02:56:22,917 --> 02:56:25,920
And he just said,
"I'm blocking you,"

3285
02:56:26,023 --> 02:56:27,128
and blocked her.

3286
02:56:44,041 --> 02:56:45,698
She's having
to deal with lawyers

3287
02:56:45,802 --> 02:56:47,320
telling her things
here and there.

3288
02:56:47,424 --> 02:56:50,530
She has no idea anything
about that world and...

3289
02:56:52,878 --> 02:56:55,639
...fighting for her kids,
like I...

3290
02:57:01,680 --> 02:57:03,785
He took that damn baby from her.

3291
02:57:08,963 --> 02:57:10,585
Two hundred and seventy

3292
02:57:10,689 --> 02:57:11,966
are needed to win.

3293
02:57:12,069 --> 02:57:14,865
Donald Trump
is within a hair's breadth

3294
02:57:14,969 --> 02:57:16,936
of being re-elected president.

3295
02:57:17,040 --> 02:57:18,697
- That's great.
- Why don't we do
a family shot?

3296
02:57:18,800 --> 02:57:21,285
Elon-- You have to have
a picture with your boy.

3297
02:57:21,389 --> 02:57:23,218
- We have to get Elon
with his boy.
- Okay.

3298
02:57:23,322 --> 02:57:25,289
- Absolutely.
- A gorgeous, perfect boy.

3299
02:57:33,435 --> 02:57:35,334
Pit bull figure,
not just in this election,

3300
02:57:35,437 --> 02:57:38,302
but in the history
of this country, is Elon Musk,

3301
02:57:38,406 --> 02:57:40,477
who has just...
...walked in with his son.

3302
02:57:40,580 --> 02:57:42,617
He's so cute. It's ridiculous.

3303
02:57:42,721 --> 02:57:44,930
Did this work? Is he gonna win?

3304
02:57:45,033 --> 02:57:46,932
- Yeah, yeah.
- I think it's done.

3305
02:57:47,035 --> 02:57:48,727
- You think it's done?
- Yeah, yeah.

3306
02:57:48,830 --> 02:57:50,660
- You get the vibe.
- We're in SpaceX

3307
02:57:50,763 --> 02:57:54,767
and quietly just do
whatever we want.

3308
02:57:59,392 --> 02:58:01,912
Were you at Mar-a-Lago
the night of the election?

3309
02:58:02,016 --> 02:58:02,775
I was.

3310
02:58:02,879 --> 02:58:04,328
Was Elon there?

3311
02:58:04,432 --> 02:58:06,986
Yeah, he was. And he left early.

3312
02:58:07,711 --> 02:58:08,781
He leaves very early

3313
02:58:08,885 --> 02:58:10,956
from the watch party
where everyone is at.

3314
02:58:11,715 --> 02:58:12,785
And I text him.

3315
02:58:12,889 --> 02:58:15,098
I say,
"I think we're gonna win."

3316
02:58:15,201 --> 02:58:17,721
And he said,
"I knew that hours ago.

3317
02:58:17,825 --> 02:58:20,897
We have the best
real-time data."

3318
02:58:21,863 --> 02:58:22,899
I don't want to jinx it,

3319
02:58:23,002 --> 02:58:25,315
but I'm cautiously optimistic
that, um...

3320
02:58:25,418 --> 02:58:27,593
that it will not be a small win
in Pennsylvania.

3321
02:58:27,697 --> 02:58:29,629
That'll be a very clear win.

3322
02:58:29,733 --> 02:58:30,803
Can you open it?

3323
02:58:30,907 --> 02:58:32,909
The prophecy has been fulfilled.

3324
02:58:33,012 --> 02:58:37,983
The degree of certainty he had,
I had never seen before.

3325
02:58:38,604 --> 02:58:39,743
And...

3326
02:58:40,951 --> 02:58:44,092
you have to ask yourself
what system provides an output

3327
02:58:44,196 --> 02:58:45,507
with that level of certainty.

3328
02:58:47,233 --> 02:58:50,029
I remember he had told me
that he was going

3329
02:58:50,133 --> 02:58:53,826
to "unleash the anomaly
in the matrix."

3330
02:58:55,414 --> 02:58:58,762
"This is not something
that's on the chessboard.

3331
02:58:58,866 --> 02:59:01,731
I have ten thousand lasers
in space."

3332
02:59:03,353 --> 02:59:06,597
And I very directly said,
"I would ask more,

3333
02:59:06,701 --> 02:59:08,979
but I don't want to be deposed."

3334
02:59:09,083 --> 02:59:10,843
To which he said, "Very wise."

3335
02:59:13,121 --> 02:59:16,021
So you think
he was referring to Starlink?

3336
02:59:16,124 --> 02:59:19,024
That's-- I mean, I don't know
where else he has space lasers.

3337
02:59:22,406 --> 02:59:24,961
What is Elon building?

3338
02:59:25,064 --> 02:59:27,998
What are his goals?
What are his actual motivations?

3339
02:59:28,102 --> 02:59:30,345
And do we even know
this man at all?

3340
02:59:30,449 --> 02:59:32,485
If you were
to ask someone on the Right

3341
02:59:32,589 --> 02:59:35,350
what they think of Elon,
he's a free speech god.

3342
02:59:35,454 --> 02:59:37,525
And someone on the Left,
he's just someone

3343
02:59:37,628 --> 02:59:40,459
who sends hateful tweets
and he's lost his mind.

3344
02:59:42,116 --> 02:59:44,187
Both are very comforting,

3345
02:59:44,290 --> 02:59:47,500
but both
are completely insufficient

3346
02:59:47,604 --> 02:59:51,850
to the immense amount
of power and influence he has.

3347
02:59:55,646 --> 02:59:57,200
Elon is a nuke.

3348
03:00:14,976 --> 03:00:17,323
I had just started my job

3349
03:00:17,427 --> 03:00:19,429
as the editor in chief
ofWired,

3350
03:00:19,532 --> 03:00:22,190
and I felt like we need
to be covering the place

3351
03:00:22,294 --> 03:00:24,986
where technology
and politics collide,

3352
03:00:25,090 --> 03:00:30,371
just how Silicon Valley
has shifted to the right.

3353
03:00:30,474 --> 03:00:33,546
The reality
that the powerful elites

3354
03:00:33,650 --> 03:00:37,999
in Silicon Valley wield
this outside influence on D.C.

3355
03:00:41,347 --> 03:00:43,902
The United States
will once again consider itself

3356
03:00:44,005 --> 03:00:45,835
a growing nation,

3357
03:00:45,938 --> 03:00:48,251
and we will pursue
our manifest destiny

3358
03:00:48,354 --> 03:00:51,979
into the stars,
launching American astronauts

3359
03:00:52,082 --> 03:00:56,604
to plant the Stars and Stripes
on the planet Mars.

3360
03:01:02,886 --> 03:01:05,751
This is the best hand
of cards we're ever gonna have.

3361
03:01:05,855 --> 03:01:08,098
If we don't take advantage
of this best hand of cards,

3362
03:01:08,202 --> 03:01:10,860
it's never gonna happen,
so we're gonna do it.

3363
03:01:10,963 --> 03:01:13,414
My administration will establish

3364
03:01:13,517 --> 03:01:17,418
the brand-new Department
of Government Efficiency.

3365
03:01:22,112 --> 03:01:24,425
Everybody should be celebrating

3366
03:01:24,528 --> 03:01:27,566
that we've found a way
to cut out fraud and waste.

3367
03:01:27,669 --> 03:01:31,018
Yeah. DOGE is a threat
to the bureaucracy.

3368
03:01:31,121 --> 03:01:32,605
It's the first threat
to the bureaucracy.

3369
03:01:32,709 --> 03:01:35,643
Normally the bureaucracy
eats revolutions for breakfast.

3370
03:01:37,024 --> 03:01:38,784
This is an order creating
and implementing

3371
03:01:38,888 --> 03:01:40,441
the Department
of Governmental Efficiency,

3372
03:01:40,544 --> 03:01:42,753
- known as DOGE.
- Okay, that's a big one.

3373
03:01:42,857 --> 03:01:46,516
Is Elon Musk
gonna get a West Wing office?

3374
03:01:46,619 --> 03:01:51,107
No, uh, he's getting an office
for about 20 people

3375
03:01:51,210 --> 03:01:54,731
that we're hiring to make sure
that these get implemented.

3376
03:01:56,457 --> 03:01:59,460
On the first day
of the administration,

3377
03:01:59,563 --> 03:02:01,358
they started releasing

3378
03:02:01,462 --> 03:02:04,154
just one executive order
after another.

3379
03:02:04,258 --> 03:02:05,707
One of those executive orders

3380
03:02:05,811 --> 03:02:07,433
was that
the U.S. Digital Service

3381
03:02:07,537 --> 03:02:11,955
was now going to be renamed
"U.S. DOGE Service."

3382
03:02:12,059 --> 03:02:13,819
So you were sucked into DOGE?

3383
03:02:13,923 --> 03:02:15,234
We became DOGE.

3384
03:02:15,338 --> 03:02:19,480
It came as a complete shock
to a lot of us of,

3385
03:02:19,583 --> 03:02:23,139
"Oh, it's not DOGE. We're going
to be collaborating."

3386
03:02:23,242 --> 03:02:26,245
We are DOGE now.

3387
03:02:28,765 --> 03:02:31,250
The U.S. Digital Service
is an agency

3388
03:02:31,354 --> 03:02:33,632
that sits
within the White House.

3389
03:02:33,735 --> 03:02:35,634
It's a group of technologists.

3390
03:02:35,737 --> 03:02:37,947
They get dispatched to agencies

3391
03:02:38,050 --> 03:02:41,536
to work on top priority
technology projects.

3392
03:02:41,640 --> 03:02:43,469
When something
hasn't been going well,

3393
03:02:43,573 --> 03:02:46,231
we get dispatched
to go and help fix it.

3394
03:02:48,371 --> 03:02:50,649
I always wanted
to use my skills

3395
03:02:50,752 --> 03:02:52,064
to help people.

3396
03:02:52,168 --> 03:02:53,686
When I came across USDS,

3397
03:02:53,790 --> 03:02:55,757
I was like, "I think this
might be my dream job."

3398
03:02:55,861 --> 03:02:57,276
And then when I started,
I was like,

3399
03:02:57,380 --> 03:02:59,796
"This is more than I ever
could have hoped for."

3400
03:03:04,145 --> 03:03:06,147
DOGE just appeared.

3401
03:03:07,459 --> 03:03:09,737
They came in,
and on the second day,

3402
03:03:09,840 --> 03:03:11,083
they were already
interviewing us

3403
03:03:11,187 --> 03:03:13,292
for the roles we already had.

3404
03:03:13,396 --> 03:03:14,949
You showed me some
of the entries

3405
03:03:15,053 --> 03:03:16,882
in your black notebook.

3406
03:03:16,986 --> 03:03:23,095
Yeah, so this is
from January 21st, 2025,

3407
03:03:23,199 --> 03:03:24,683
"Dawn of the First Day."

3408
03:03:26,064 --> 03:03:27,651
We found out that

3409
03:03:27,755 --> 03:03:31,138
we would be
having 15-minute interviews.

3410
03:03:31,241 --> 03:03:33,519
-  Hi there.
- Hi.

3411
03:03:34,486 --> 03:03:35,280
Oops. Hi.

3412
03:03:35,383 --> 03:03:36,833
- Can you hear me?
- Yes.

3413
03:03:36,936 --> 03:03:40,630
I was introduced to two people
only by their first name,

3414
03:03:40,733 --> 03:03:43,081
um, Ram and Cole.

3415
03:03:43,184 --> 03:03:45,428
I gave my quick little intro,

3416
03:03:45,531 --> 03:03:49,811
and during that, Cole stood up
with no acknowledgement

3417
03:03:49,915 --> 03:03:52,642
and just walked out of the room.

3418
03:03:52,745 --> 03:03:56,163
What do you think needs
to change at USDS?

3419
03:03:56,956 --> 03:03:58,027
I definitely got the sense

3420
03:03:58,130 --> 03:04:01,271
they were trying
to fish for information,

3421
03:04:01,375 --> 03:04:05,655
whether I was favorably
viewing DOGE or unfavorably.

3422
03:04:05,758 --> 03:04:08,071
One of the last two questions
I have is,

3423
03:04:08,175 --> 03:04:10,694
any exceptional engineers
on USDS

3424
03:04:10,798 --> 03:04:12,558
that you'd want to call out?

3425
03:04:12,662 --> 03:04:14,112
We were doing our best

3426
03:04:14,215 --> 03:04:18,116
to kind of give each other
praise and kudos.

3427
03:04:18,219 --> 03:04:19,565
I listed out,

3428
03:04:19,669 --> 03:04:22,810
I think, every single engineer
I'd ever worked with at USDS.

3429
03:04:22,913 --> 03:04:24,570
Like, I would consider myself

3430
03:04:24,674 --> 03:04:26,158
one of the...

3431
03:04:26,262 --> 03:04:28,057
...exceptional ones
if I'm being honest,

3432
03:04:28,160 --> 03:04:30,197
but I don't want
to be too forward, um,

3433
03:04:30,300 --> 03:04:33,131
but everybody
I've worked with here has...

3434
03:04:33,234 --> 03:04:34,304
has been fantastic,

3435
03:04:34,408 --> 03:04:36,306
at least
from the engineering side.

3436
03:04:36,410 --> 03:04:40,586
After that, they were like,
"Well, thank you," and hung up.

3437
03:04:40,690 --> 03:04:42,588
- Thank you.
- Yep.

3438
03:04:42,692 --> 03:04:45,488
All right, bye.

3439
03:04:45,591 --> 03:04:48,042
And we're done.
I don't think
that went too well.

3440
03:04:49,768 --> 03:04:51,425
Everyone was now
on high alert of like,

3441
03:04:51,528 --> 03:04:54,186
"Okay, I'm about to go into
a hostile conversation."

3442
03:04:54,290 --> 03:04:57,293
Another friend
who had a similar call

3443
03:04:57,396 --> 03:05:00,227
asked for their full name

3444
03:05:00,330 --> 03:05:04,679
and was told,
"This is a one-sided interview.

3445
03:05:04,783 --> 03:05:05,853
And it's a secret process.

3446
03:05:05,956 --> 03:05:08,614
I will not give you
my last name."

3447
03:05:08,718 --> 03:05:10,582
Heads up, guys. Tighten up.

3448
03:05:13,309 --> 03:05:15,173
Mr. Musk,
what was your message in there

3449
03:05:15,276 --> 03:05:16,760
to House Republicans?

3450
03:05:16,864 --> 03:05:18,348
What was your message
in there, Mr. Musk?

3451
03:05:18,452 --> 03:05:22,041
You know, there's a lot of...
A lot of opportunity

3452
03:05:22,145 --> 03:05:24,527
to improve expenditures
in the government.

3453
03:05:24,630 --> 03:05:25,838
And then
we're making good progress.

3454
03:05:25,942 --> 03:05:27,495
Should Congress
have a vote on this?

3455
03:05:27,599 --> 03:05:29,014
Should Congress
have a vote on this?

3456
03:05:29,118 --> 03:05:32,604
We set out to just answer,
like, really stupid questions

3457
03:05:32,707 --> 03:05:35,538
when we started covering this.
Like, what is DOGE?

3458
03:05:35,641 --> 03:05:38,299
Like, what actually
is the idea here?

3459
03:05:38,403 --> 03:05:39,714
How's power feeling, Mr. Musk?

3460
03:05:41,509 --> 03:05:44,512
Government is really just
a corporation in the limit.

3461
03:05:44,616 --> 03:05:46,238
It's not different
from a corporation.

3462
03:05:46,342 --> 03:05:47,998
It's just
the ultimate corporation.

3463
03:05:48,102 --> 03:05:50,415
It's a corporation
that is a monopoly.

3464
03:05:50,518 --> 03:05:53,003
It can't go bankrupt unless
the country goes bankrupt.

3465
03:05:53,107 --> 03:05:54,936
And it has a monopoly
on violence.

3466
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:56,145
How much more
do you want to give

3467
03:05:56,248 --> 03:05:57,836
to the world's
biggest corporation

3468
03:05:57,939 --> 03:05:59,734
that has a monopoly on violence?

3469
03:05:59,838 --> 03:06:01,667
Probably less.

3470
03:06:01,771 --> 03:06:04,912
Mr. Musk, will you talk to us?
Will you answer any questions?

3471
03:06:07,225 --> 03:06:08,398
What are some of the parallels

3472
03:06:08,502 --> 03:06:10,883
with the takeover at Twitter?

3473
03:06:10,987 --> 03:06:14,577
The idea that you look
at government or a company

3474
03:06:14,680 --> 03:06:16,958
and say,
"Wow, the way this is being run

3475
03:06:17,062 --> 03:06:18,615
is totally mismanaged,

3476
03:06:18,719 --> 03:06:22,619
and I alone can come in
and save this."

3477
03:06:22,723 --> 03:06:27,176
Zoë, very early on, said,
"This is his playbook.

3478
03:06:27,279 --> 03:06:29,902
I just covered it at Twitter.

3479
03:06:30,006 --> 03:06:32,698
This is how he comes in
and takes over a company.

3480
03:06:32,802 --> 03:06:34,424
This is what
we're about to see."

3481
03:06:38,083 --> 03:06:39,360
ZOË: This email comes out

3482
03:06:39,464 --> 03:06:42,225
from the Office
of Personnel Management.

3483
03:06:42,329 --> 03:06:44,020
And the subject line
of the email is,

3484
03:06:44,123 --> 03:06:46,298
"A Fork in the Road."

3485
03:06:46,402 --> 03:06:48,576
That really was the moment
where I was like,

3486
03:06:48,680 --> 03:06:51,821
"Oh, he's running
the full Twitter playbook."

3487
03:06:53,236 --> 03:06:55,031
ZOË: Federal employees
could basically take a buyout

3488
03:06:55,134 --> 03:06:56,826
and leave government service.

3489
03:06:56,929 --> 03:06:59,346
These were people
who absolutely had options

3490
03:06:59,449 --> 03:07:00,657
to work in the private sector

3491
03:07:00,761 --> 03:07:03,591
but had chosen to take
a huge pay cut a lot of times

3492
03:07:03,695 --> 03:07:05,075
and work for the government

3493
03:07:05,179 --> 03:07:07,423
because they felt like
they were doing
something important

3494
03:07:07,526 --> 03:07:08,769
for the American people.

3495
03:07:15,603 --> 03:07:17,156
Everyone in
the federal government

3496
03:07:17,260 --> 03:07:18,675
got the fork email,

3497
03:07:18,779 --> 03:07:21,920
from air traffic controllers
to judges

3498
03:07:22,023 --> 03:07:23,197
to cancer researchers.

3499
03:07:25,751 --> 03:07:28,513
The first employees
to take the buyout?

3500
03:07:28,616 --> 03:07:30,998
The best and the brightest.

3501
03:07:31,101 --> 03:07:35,347
If your real goal was just
to increase efficiency,

3502
03:07:35,451 --> 03:07:37,936
you wouldn't do any
of the things they're doing.

3503
03:07:38,039 --> 03:07:41,560
You certainly wouldn't invite
everyone to quit

3504
03:07:41,664 --> 03:07:44,322
and therefore incentivize
the people who have

3505
03:07:44,425 --> 03:07:48,429
the best prospects
in the private sector to quit.

3506
03:07:48,533 --> 03:07:50,328
Your best people
will be the first out the door

3507
03:07:50,431 --> 03:07:51,846
running that algorithm.

3508
03:07:52,537 --> 03:07:55,056
"Get the fuck out."

3509
03:07:55,160 --> 03:07:56,817
A group of us decided

3510
03:07:56,920 --> 03:08:00,579
to publicly resign
with a letter

3511
03:08:00,683 --> 03:08:03,479
condemning
the actions of DOGE and...

3512
03:08:04,514 --> 03:08:07,621
saying we will not stand
for this.

3513
03:08:07,724 --> 03:08:10,348
This is not the organization
I signed up for.

3514
03:08:10,451 --> 03:08:12,419
It's unrecognizable.

3515
03:08:12,522 --> 03:08:16,215
And if they end up using
this group of people

3516
03:08:16,319 --> 03:08:17,976
and their talent...

3517
03:08:18,079 --> 03:08:20,772
...to work on what's
important to them, like...

3518
03:08:21,738 --> 03:08:23,430
you know, go build a database

3519
03:08:23,533 --> 03:08:25,880
of every pregnant person
in the country,

3520
03:08:25,984 --> 03:08:29,988
or go make an app to make it
easier to deport people,

3521
03:08:30,920 --> 03:08:32,577
am I gonna wait
until that moment

3522
03:08:32,680 --> 03:08:34,993
where they ask me
to do that thing?

3523
03:08:35,096 --> 03:08:36,684
I'm just gonna cut things off

3524
03:08:36,788 --> 03:08:38,307
and just become
a private citizen

3525
03:08:38,410 --> 03:08:40,032
and take this experience
with me

3526
03:08:40,136 --> 03:08:41,413
and do something else with it.

3527
03:08:42,759 --> 03:08:45,141
Faced with Musk's
fork in the road,

3528
03:08:45,244 --> 03:08:47,488
over 150,000
of the most skilled

3529
03:08:47,592 --> 03:08:50,560
and experienced workers
left the government.

3530
03:08:50,664 --> 03:08:53,183
What did that do
for efficiency?

3531
03:08:53,287 --> 03:08:54,564
You know, it's sort of like,

3532
03:08:54,668 --> 03:08:57,118
I'll shoot them all,
let God sort them out.

3533
03:08:57,222 --> 03:08:58,361
In the case of Twitter,

3534
03:08:58,465 --> 03:09:01,226
it's a small business
of little consequence.

3535
03:09:01,330 --> 03:09:04,505
In this case, he's doing it
throughout the government.

3536
03:09:06,093 --> 03:09:08,026
I think
the DOGE story maybe starts

3537
03:09:08,129 --> 03:09:09,268
with the Twitter takeover.

3538
03:09:09,372 --> 03:09:11,961
That was sort of the warm-up act
for what's going on at DOGE.

3539
03:09:12,064 --> 03:09:13,549
ZOË: Antonio Gracias,

3540
03:09:13,652 --> 03:09:17,311
a venture capitalist,
a close friend of Elon Musk's,

3541
03:09:17,415 --> 03:09:20,245
was onAll-In
talking about learning

3542
03:09:20,349 --> 03:09:23,455
how the government
payments system worked

3543
03:09:23,559 --> 03:09:26,320
and just being
totally flabbergasted.

3544
03:09:26,424 --> 03:09:28,046
The way
the government works, uh,

3545
03:09:28,149 --> 03:09:29,565
a department just basically

3546
03:09:29,668 --> 03:09:31,705
asks for money from Treasury
and they send it out.

3547
03:09:31,808 --> 03:09:33,948
They're claiming agencies
just ask for a check

3548
03:09:34,052 --> 03:09:36,365
and the government writes
a check, and that's it,

3549
03:09:36,468 --> 03:09:39,091
which is both not
how the government works,

3550
03:09:39,195 --> 03:09:40,541
and also,
for a lot of us watching,

3551
03:09:40,645 --> 03:09:42,301
we're like,
they're learning civics

3552
03:09:42,405 --> 03:09:43,337
in real time,

3553
03:09:43,441 --> 03:09:44,752
but it seems very clear

3554
03:09:44,856 --> 03:09:46,651
that they don't understand
how the government works.

3555
03:09:46,754 --> 03:09:48,238
Can you just explain that to us?

3556
03:09:48,342 --> 03:09:49,792
Well, so,
I will try to explain it to you.

3557
03:09:49,895 --> 03:09:51,345
I'm not sure
I have full command of it.

3558
03:09:51,449 --> 03:09:52,898
I'm not sure
anyone does quite yet.

3559
03:09:53,002 --> 03:09:55,176
It wasn't like
they went into Twitter

3560
03:09:55,280 --> 03:09:56,764
or to the government and said,

3561
03:09:56,868 --> 03:09:57,903
"Let's sit down
with these people

3562
03:09:58,007 --> 03:10:00,319
and really understand
what they do,

3563
03:10:00,423 --> 03:10:02,391
how things work, let's learn."

3564
03:10:02,494 --> 03:10:04,531
It really does feel
like a hostile takeover.

3565
03:10:07,016 --> 03:10:08,189
No!

3566
03:10:09,674 --> 03:10:12,090
Hi, my friend!

3567
03:10:12,193 --> 03:10:13,436
Yeah!

3568
03:10:13,540 --> 03:10:15,334
- Hi, how you doing?
- Good, how's it going?

3569
03:10:15,438 --> 03:10:16,784
I have a present for you.

3570
03:10:16,888 --> 03:10:18,372
Thanks. Whoa!

3571
03:10:18,476 --> 03:10:20,719
♪ The nurses
All gathered 'round... ♪

3572
03:10:20,823 --> 03:10:22,790
Whoa!

3573
03:10:22,894 --> 03:10:24,309
- Does it work?
- Yeah.

3574
03:10:26,276 --> 03:10:28,244
The chainsaw
is such a perfect metaphor.

3575
03:10:28,347 --> 03:10:29,659
Chainsaws are not subtle.

3576
03:10:29,763 --> 03:10:31,523
And of course, he looks insane.

3577
03:10:31,627 --> 03:10:33,560
This is

3578
03:10:33,663 --> 03:10:36,563
the chainsaw for bureaucracy.

3579
03:10:36,666 --> 03:10:39,669
It's chaotic,
it's random, it's capricious.

3580
03:10:39,773 --> 03:10:41,015
He's like this a lot.

3581
03:10:41,119 --> 03:10:43,880
Someone at one of the companies
called me and said,

3582
03:10:43,984 --> 03:10:45,744
"You have no idea what it's like
when he comes in."

3583
03:10:45,848 --> 03:10:47,884
I go, "Tell me."
And they're like, "He comes in,

3584
03:10:47,988 --> 03:10:50,128
he knocks over a trash can
and says things,

3585
03:10:50,231 --> 03:10:51,716
and then runs out.

3586
03:10:51,819 --> 03:10:54,063
And then we get back to work."

3587
03:10:54,166 --> 03:10:56,652
So we've got
a two-trillion-dollar deficit.

3588
03:10:56,755 --> 03:10:58,654
If we don't do something
about this deficit,

3589
03:10:58,757 --> 03:11:00,863
the country's going bankrupt.

3590
03:11:00,966 --> 03:11:03,624
They wanted
to cut two trillion dollars.

3591
03:11:03,728 --> 03:11:06,247
When you account
for things you have to pay for,

3592
03:11:06,351 --> 03:11:08,491
Social Security, Medicare,

3593
03:11:08,595 --> 03:11:10,355
interest payments
on the national debt,

3594
03:11:10,459 --> 03:11:11,943
two trillion dollars
is everything else.

3595
03:11:12,046 --> 03:11:14,221
Housing subsidies
and foreign aid

3596
03:11:14,324 --> 03:11:15,774
and national park services.

3597
03:11:15,878 --> 03:11:17,880
I mean,
this encompasses everything.

3598
03:11:20,158 --> 03:11:22,367
Elon Musk
was nice enough to invite us

3599
03:11:22,471 --> 03:11:24,507
into the Eisenhower Building
last night

3600
03:11:24,611 --> 03:11:27,510
to sit in on his weekly
10:00 p.m. DOGE meeting.

3601
03:11:27,614 --> 03:11:28,615
He has his guys.

3602
03:11:28,718 --> 03:11:30,306
I guess we normally go
around the table.

3603
03:11:30,409 --> 03:11:32,135
- We'll start with you.
- Sure.

3604
03:11:32,239 --> 03:11:35,035
Um, so actually, um...

3605
03:11:35,138 --> 03:11:36,795
lot of great work
in the Treasury this week.

3606
03:11:36,899 --> 03:11:38,314
Steve Davis, who helped

3607
03:11:38,417 --> 03:11:39,867
with the Twitter/X takeover,

3608
03:11:39,971 --> 03:11:41,317
was pulling
a lot of the strings.

3609
03:11:41,420 --> 03:11:42,491
I mean, he was sending out,

3610
03:11:42,594 --> 03:11:44,044
you know,
marching orders over Signal.

3611
03:11:44,147 --> 03:11:46,805
He was in constant communication
with workers

3612
03:11:46,909 --> 03:11:48,255
at various federal agencies.

3613
03:11:48,358 --> 03:11:51,776
This is someone that Musk,
you know, trusts implicitly.

3614
03:11:51,879 --> 03:11:54,054
And then DOGE
was actually staffed

3615
03:11:54,157 --> 03:11:58,541
by 19-year-olds,
20-year-olds, 21-year-olds.

3616
03:11:58,645 --> 03:12:01,337
I think they tapped out
at maybe 25 years old.

3617
03:12:01,440 --> 03:12:03,857
And they all came
from companies

3618
03:12:03,960 --> 03:12:07,308
that were run either
by Elon Musk or Peter Thiel.

3619
03:12:09,345 --> 03:12:10,588
Ethan Shaotran.

3620
03:12:10,691 --> 03:12:13,211
He was a runner-up
in a hackathon contest

3621
03:12:13,314 --> 03:12:14,730
put on by xAI.

3622
03:12:14,833 --> 03:12:15,972
I dropped out of Harvard

3623
03:12:16,076 --> 03:12:18,561
and came here
to serve my country.

3624
03:12:18,665 --> 03:12:20,287
And it's been unfortunate
to see,

3625
03:12:20,390 --> 03:12:21,806
you know, lost friendships.

3626
03:12:21,909 --> 03:12:24,325
Um, most of campus hates me.

3627
03:12:24,429 --> 03:12:25,603
How did this come to be?

3628
03:12:25,706 --> 03:12:27,328
How did we happen
to have people in the building?

3629
03:12:28,813 --> 03:12:30,953
Representatives
from DOGE demanded entry

3630
03:12:31,056 --> 03:12:32,195
into the U.S. Institute
of Peace.

3631
03:12:33,162 --> 03:12:34,784
Who should talk about USIP?

3632
03:12:34,888 --> 03:12:36,337
Oh. Oh, Nate.

3633
03:12:36,441 --> 03:12:37,511
Institute for Peace.

3634
03:12:37,615 --> 03:12:38,995
Thanks to President Trump,
he's now signed

3635
03:12:39,099 --> 03:12:40,687
two executive orders
to start to reduce

3636
03:12:40,790 --> 03:12:41,860
the number of agencies
in the government,

3637
03:12:41,964 --> 03:12:43,275
and the Institute of Peace
was one of them.

3638
03:12:43,379 --> 03:12:45,623
- Who's Big Balls?
- It's me.

3639
03:12:47,486 --> 03:12:50,317
Edward Coristine,
who called himself "Big Balls"

3640
03:12:50,420 --> 03:12:54,424
Big Balls, he was 19 years old
when he joined DOGE,

3641
03:12:54,528 --> 03:12:56,910
spun up a bunch of LLCs
as a teenager,

3642
03:12:57,013 --> 03:12:59,015
- including one called Tesla.
- Sexy.

3643
03:12:59,119 --> 03:13:02,812
- Unclear exactly what Tesla.
- Sexy
was designed to do,

3644
03:13:02,916 --> 03:13:04,538
but clearly this is someone who,

3645
03:13:04,642 --> 03:13:07,058
from a very young age,
looked to Elon Musk,

3646
03:13:07,161 --> 03:13:10,061
looked to his companies,
looked to Silicon Valley,

3647
03:13:10,164 --> 03:13:13,236
and saw a future
that he wanted to be a part of.

3648
03:13:14,583 --> 03:13:16,550
You have a collection
of very young people,

3649
03:13:16,654 --> 03:13:17,896
all young men,

3650
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:21,520
who have absolutely
no government experience.

3651
03:13:21,624 --> 03:13:22,832
And do you think for Elon

3652
03:13:22,936 --> 03:13:25,248
that that's a feature or a bug?

3653
03:13:25,352 --> 03:13:26,318
Oh, feature.

3654
03:13:26,422 --> 03:13:29,080
Just throw them in there
and see what happens.

3655
03:13:31,807 --> 03:13:33,187
Here's what happened.

3656
03:13:33,291 --> 03:13:35,914
Elon and his top deputy,
Steve Davis,

3657
03:13:36,018 --> 03:13:37,951
magically transformed
the DOGE Boys

3658
03:13:38,054 --> 03:13:39,815
into government employees,

3659
03:13:39,918 --> 03:13:43,439
dispatching them across dozens
of government agencies.

3660
03:13:45,130 --> 03:13:48,478
Their mission,
reduction in force.

3661
03:13:50,170 --> 03:13:51,240
Musk has been given access

3662
03:13:51,343 --> 03:13:53,035
to the Treasury Department
payment system.

3663
03:13:53,138 --> 03:13:55,002
The Consumer Financial
Protection Bureau is shut down.

3664
03:13:55,106 --> 03:13:57,246
Go into the next one,
the Department of Education.

3665
03:13:57,349 --> 03:13:59,179
I mean, I want you
to go into everything.

3666
03:13:59,282 --> 03:14:00,939
Your money is being wasted,

3667
03:14:01,043 --> 03:14:02,700
and the Department
of Government Efficiency

3668
03:14:02,803 --> 03:14:04,529
is gonna fix that.

3669
03:14:04,633 --> 03:14:06,220
Yes!

3670
03:14:11,225 --> 03:14:13,400
The sheer amount of waste
and fraud in the government.

3671
03:14:13,503 --> 03:14:14,470
It's mind-blowing.

3672
03:14:19,993 --> 03:14:21,304
I'm here to provide
the president

3673
03:14:21,408 --> 03:14:23,686
with technology support.

3674
03:14:28,967 --> 03:14:33,040
What we're adding here
is caring and competence.

3675
03:15:15,393 --> 03:15:20,018
USAID, the SEC, the FAA.

3676
03:15:20,122 --> 03:15:22,020
You notice
a lot of these agencies

3677
03:15:22,124 --> 03:15:24,298
are the ones looking at him.

3678
03:15:24,402 --> 03:15:27,232
The conflicts of interest
are shocking.

3679
03:15:28,717 --> 03:15:31,789
Tesla regulated
by multiple federal agencies.

3680
03:15:31,892 --> 03:15:33,480
SpaceX does

3681
03:15:33,583 --> 03:15:36,517
tremendous amounts of business
with the federal government.

3682
03:15:36,621 --> 03:15:38,588
He wants to eliminate the people

3683
03:15:38,692 --> 03:15:40,970
who are meant to be holding
those companies accountable.

3684
03:15:42,385 --> 03:15:44,974
At least five
inspector generals

3685
03:15:45,078 --> 03:15:48,357
that were looking
into Elon Musk's companies

3686
03:15:48,460 --> 03:15:49,565
were fired.

3687
03:15:49,668 --> 03:15:52,533
Fuck Elon Musk! Fuck Elon Musk!

3688
03:15:52,637 --> 03:15:54,087
Not for sale!

3689
03:15:54,190 --> 03:15:57,780
People voted
for major government reform.

3690
03:15:57,884 --> 03:16:00,610
If we don't do this,
America will go bankrupt.

3691
03:16:10,275 --> 03:16:12,622
More and more laws
and regulations over time

3692
03:16:12,726 --> 03:16:15,315
until everything is illegal.

3693
03:16:20,527 --> 03:16:22,115
First of all, is he qualified?
What is he doing?

3694
03:16:22,218 --> 03:16:23,737
What are they actually doing?

3695
03:16:23,841 --> 03:16:25,187
He knows what he's doing.

3696
03:16:25,290 --> 03:16:27,776
It's not like I think
I can get away with something.

3697
03:16:33,402 --> 03:16:36,785
And I just want to say thank you
for making it happen.

3698
03:16:36,888 --> 03:16:38,131
Thank you.

3699
03:16:57,253 --> 03:17:00,981
I got a text the first week
from a colleague just saying,

3700
03:17:01,085 --> 03:17:02,914
"DOGE is in the building."

3701
03:17:04,329 --> 03:17:05,917
The worst thing you could learn

3702
03:17:06,021 --> 03:17:07,885
is that DOGE
is in the building.

3703
03:17:10,128 --> 03:17:13,131
As we dug into USAID,
it became apparent

3704
03:17:13,235 --> 03:17:16,859
that what we have here is not
an apple with a worm in it,

3705
03:17:16,963 --> 03:17:19,620
but we have actually
just a bowl of worms.

3706
03:17:22,520 --> 03:17:25,040
USAID is a 10,000-person,

3707
03:17:25,143 --> 03:17:26,731
40-billion-dollar agency

3708
03:17:26,835 --> 03:17:29,251
that carries out foreign aid
programs around the world,

3709
03:17:29,354 --> 03:17:31,563
from displacement sites
in Africa

3710
03:17:31,667 --> 03:17:33,427
to humanitarian camps in Syria

3711
03:17:33,531 --> 03:17:35,326
to towns fighting
Russian influence

3712
03:17:35,429 --> 03:17:37,742
across Eastern Europe.

3713
03:17:37,846 --> 03:17:40,503
John F. Kennedy
had this great insight

3714
03:17:40,607 --> 03:17:44,404
that having
an arm of the U.S. government

3715
03:17:44,507 --> 03:17:46,199
that would be out there
in the world

3716
03:17:46,302 --> 03:17:49,581
doing good was in your interest.

3717
03:17:49,685 --> 03:17:54,172
When USAID came and built roads
or brought electricity

3718
03:17:54,276 --> 03:17:56,450
or helped build schools
in the village,

3719
03:17:56,554 --> 03:17:58,590
it probably helped
the United States

3720
03:17:58,694 --> 03:18:01,041
in the capital of a country.

3721
03:18:01,145 --> 03:18:03,354
It was just a great look
for the United States

3722
03:18:03,457 --> 03:18:07,047
to be bringing the compassion
of the American people

3723
03:18:07,151 --> 03:18:09,947
to a global stage.

3724
03:18:10,050 --> 03:18:12,087
There's hundreds
of billions of dollars going

3725
03:18:12,190 --> 03:18:13,502
to these so-called NGOs,

3726
03:18:13,605 --> 03:18:16,401
and it's your tax dollars
that are funding things

3727
03:18:16,505 --> 03:18:18,472
that are fundamentally
anti-American.

3728
03:18:18,576 --> 03:18:20,095
I think
the average taxpaying American

3729
03:18:20,198 --> 03:18:21,337
should be mad as hell

3730
03:18:21,441 --> 03:18:22,683
because their tax money
is being...

3731
03:18:22,787 --> 03:18:25,100
Musk mocked
some controversial programs

3732
03:18:25,203 --> 03:18:28,206
whose cost amounted
to a few million dollars.

3733
03:18:28,310 --> 03:18:30,139
But most of USAID's budget

3734
03:18:30,243 --> 03:18:33,073
was devoted to combating
poverty and disease.

3735
03:18:33,177 --> 03:18:34,972
And those vital programs

3736
03:18:35,075 --> 03:18:38,527
were a small fraction
of the federal budget.

3737
03:18:38,630 --> 03:18:42,186
It's less than half
of one percent.

3738
03:18:42,289 --> 03:18:47,087
A substantial share of the cost
of what USAID spends

3739
03:18:47,398 --> 03:18:49,020
also comes back,

3740
03:18:49,124 --> 03:18:51,160
for example,
to American farmers.

3741
03:18:52,713 --> 03:18:53,818
In the state of Georgia,

3742
03:18:53,922 --> 03:18:55,647
they make
this amazing miracle paste

3743
03:18:55,751 --> 03:18:59,444
called Plumpy'Nut that you give
to severely malnourished kids.

3744
03:19:12,078 --> 03:19:13,907
The executive order said

3745
03:19:14,011 --> 03:19:15,771
that any money
that was already out there

3746
03:19:15,874 --> 03:19:18,808
in the field
could not be spent.

3747
03:19:18,912 --> 03:19:23,744
And so community health workers
receive an email saying,

3748
03:19:23,848 --> 03:19:27,300
"You can't help
those kids today."

3749
03:19:27,403 --> 03:19:28,370
"You can't."

3750
03:19:28,473 --> 03:19:32,581
"But wait, I-- we have
the supplies right here."

3751
03:19:33,789 --> 03:19:35,239
So you have
the mothers coming

3752
03:19:35,342 --> 03:19:38,138
with the emaciated child.

3753
03:19:38,242 --> 03:19:40,278
And maybe that mother
could have come the day before

3754
03:19:40,382 --> 03:19:41,762
had they known that
that was gonna be

3755
03:19:41,866 --> 03:19:43,626
their last chance to get access

3756
03:19:43,730 --> 03:19:46,319
to something
that will literally bring
their child back...

3757
03:19:53,602 --> 03:19:55,604
...from the brink.

3758
03:19:55,707 --> 03:19:58,503
And that mother doesn't know...

3759
03:19:58,607 --> 03:20:03,094
...that in Washington,
there's some unaccountable crop

3760
03:20:03,198 --> 03:20:06,546
of 20-somethings who've decided

3761
03:20:07,443 --> 03:20:09,169
to terminate

3762
03:20:09,273 --> 03:20:11,723
that mother's ability
to help their kid.

3763
03:20:11,827 --> 03:20:14,554
It was the suddenness
of the DOGE cuts

3764
03:20:14,657 --> 03:20:16,073
that shocked people.

3765
03:20:16,176 --> 03:20:18,868
In one case, DOGE ordered
a halt to the delivery

3766
03:20:18,972 --> 03:20:23,597
of 500 tons of food bound
for starving children.

3767
03:20:23,701 --> 03:20:27,256
When it passed its due date,
it was incinerated.

3768
03:20:28,257 --> 03:20:29,983
Donald Trump and DOGE

3769
03:20:30,087 --> 03:20:31,709
could have
the same bumper sticker

3770
03:20:31,812 --> 03:20:34,712
about how they slashed
foreign assistance,

3771
03:20:34,815 --> 03:20:38,509
and we could have
saved millions of those lives.

3772
03:20:38,612 --> 03:20:42,616
People were given no chance
to mitigate the harms.

3773
03:20:44,066 --> 03:20:45,585
It's a gigantic scam,

3774
03:20:45,688 --> 03:20:48,415
like maybe
the biggest scam ever.

3775
03:20:48,519 --> 03:20:49,934
They just get grants,

3776
03:20:50,038 --> 03:20:52,178
and the government just assumes
that they're doing good work.

3777
03:20:52,281 --> 03:20:53,731
I think a lot of people
in the government know

3778
03:20:53,834 --> 03:20:55,215
that they're not
doing good work.

3779
03:20:56,251 --> 03:20:57,355
It almost seems fake.

3780
03:20:57,459 --> 03:20:59,461
I think it's the biggest scam

3781
03:20:59,564 --> 03:21:02,153
- of all time, ever.
- Ever.

3782
03:21:03,810 --> 03:21:05,122
The estimates are

3783
03:21:05,225 --> 03:21:08,021
that 14 million people
will lose their lives

3784
03:21:08,125 --> 03:21:10,817
because of the decision
to close USAID.

3785
03:21:11,818 --> 03:21:14,510
And 4.5 million of those

3786
03:21:14,614 --> 03:21:18,238
are estimated
to be kids under five.

3787
03:21:29,318 --> 03:21:31,527
The fundamental weakness

3788
03:21:31,631 --> 03:21:35,013
of Western civilization
is empathy.

3789
03:21:35,117 --> 03:21:37,602
The empathy exploit.

3790
03:21:37,706 --> 03:21:41,744
They're exploiting a bug
in Western civilization,

3791
03:21:41,848 --> 03:21:43,712
which is the empathy response.

3792
03:21:44,368 --> 03:21:45,472
There's so much empathy

3793
03:21:45,576 --> 03:21:47,405
that you actually
suicide yourself.

3794
03:21:47,509 --> 03:21:49,959
And I-- I think, you know,
empathy is good,

3795
03:21:50,063 --> 03:21:52,997
but you need to have empathy
for civilization as a whole

3796
03:21:53,101 --> 03:21:55,758
and not commit
to a civilizational suicide.

3797
03:22:07,218 --> 03:22:09,703
So Elon,
he's really working so hard,

3798
03:22:09,807 --> 03:22:11,360
getting a lot of praise,
I'll tell you,

3799
03:22:11,464 --> 03:22:12,913
but he's also getting hit.

3800
03:22:13,017 --> 03:22:14,191
We will make mistakes.

3801
03:22:14,294 --> 03:22:17,677
We won't be perfect,
but when we make a mistake,

3802
03:22:17,780 --> 03:22:19,713
we'll fix it very quickly.

3803
03:22:19,817 --> 03:22:23,200
So for example, with USAID,
one of the things

3804
03:22:23,303 --> 03:22:25,961
we accidentally cancelled
very briefly was Ebola...

3805
03:22:26,064 --> 03:22:27,100
...Ebola prevention.

3806
03:22:27,204 --> 03:22:28,446
I think we all want
Ebola prevention.

3807
03:22:34,970 --> 03:22:38,111
So we restored the Ebola
prevention immediately,

3808
03:22:38,215 --> 03:22:40,700
and there was no interruption.

3809
03:22:40,803 --> 03:22:43,910
The program
was not immediately restored.

3810
03:22:44,013 --> 03:22:46,775
With a few keystrokes,
Elon and the DOGE Boys pulled

3811
03:22:46,878 --> 03:22:49,571
all the funding for
the first responders for Ebola

3812
03:22:49,674 --> 03:22:51,297
and zeroed out payments
to clinics

3813
03:22:51,400 --> 03:22:54,162
treating children with HIV.

3814
03:22:54,265 --> 03:22:55,784
Healthcare investigators
estimated

3815
03:22:55,887 --> 03:22:59,546
that within one year
of the sudden USAID cuts,

3816
03:22:59,650 --> 03:23:03,171
over 500,000 children
would die.

3817
03:23:09,901 --> 03:23:11,627
Mr. Musk,
how do you convince people

3818
03:23:11,731 --> 03:23:13,836
who don't want to cut spending
to cut spending?

3819
03:23:15,528 --> 03:23:17,909
DOGE did plenty of harm
to Americans, too.

3820
03:23:18,841 --> 03:23:20,774
The National Institutes
of Health

3821
03:23:20,878 --> 03:23:23,191
lost more than
two billion dollars in funding

3822
03:23:23,294 --> 03:23:25,054
for studies into cures
for cancer,

3823
03:23:25,158 --> 03:23:27,505
Alzheimer's, and diabetes.

3824
03:23:27,609 --> 03:23:30,612
Cuts and buyouts
of 20,000 health care workers

3825
03:23:30,715 --> 03:23:33,442
destroyed vital experiments
for vaccines

3826
03:23:33,546 --> 03:23:35,168
and disease prevention.

3827
03:23:36,618 --> 03:23:39,690
ZOË: We talked to scientists
who had live samples

3828
03:23:39,793 --> 03:23:42,727
that were just left to rot,
who had to abandon

3829
03:23:42,831 --> 03:23:45,765
whole research projects
that they had spent years on.

3830
03:23:45,868 --> 03:23:48,664
These people
who are doing critical research

3831
03:23:48,768 --> 03:23:52,323
who simply weren't able
to do their work.

3832
03:23:54,429 --> 03:23:56,672
The people voted
for major government reform,

3833
03:23:56,776 --> 03:23:58,226
and that's what the people
are gonna get.

3834
03:23:58,329 --> 03:24:00,469
They're gonna get
what they voted for.

3835
03:24:00,573 --> 03:24:03,748
You know, there's crazy things
like just cursory examination

3836
03:24:03,852 --> 03:24:05,094
of Social Security,

3837
03:24:05,198 --> 03:24:08,305
and we've got people in there
that are 150 years old.

3838
03:24:08,408 --> 03:24:11,515
Now, do you know anyone
that's 150? I don't. Okay.

3839
03:24:11,618 --> 03:24:15,208
DOGE workers went
through all of this data

3840
03:24:15,312 --> 03:24:16,278
within Social Security,

3841
03:24:16,382 --> 03:24:19,419
and they came
to the conclusion that...

3842
03:24:19,523 --> 03:24:22,526
many, many, many,
many, many dead people

3843
03:24:22,629 --> 03:24:25,287
were receiving
Social Security benefits.

3844
03:24:31,638 --> 03:24:33,571
This then allowed Elon Musk

3845
03:24:33,675 --> 03:24:35,815
to very publicly come out
and say,

3846
03:24:35,918 --> 03:24:39,094
"Where is all that money going?
It's so suspicious."

3847
03:24:39,197 --> 03:24:41,510
We found
just with a basic search

3848
03:24:41,614 --> 03:24:43,478
of the Social Security database

3849
03:24:43,581 --> 03:24:46,204
that there were 20 million...

3850
03:24:46,308 --> 03:24:48,414
dead people marked as alive.

3851
03:24:48,517 --> 03:24:49,656
But were they getting money?

3852
03:24:49,760 --> 03:24:51,589
Some of them are getting money.

3853
03:24:53,695 --> 03:24:55,835
The federal government systems

3854
03:24:55,938 --> 03:24:59,839
are written
in really ancient languages.

3855
03:24:59,942 --> 03:25:02,255
Anybody who is familiar
with these systems,

3856
03:25:02,359 --> 03:25:05,707
they'd be able to tell you that
if a birth date is not listed,

3857
03:25:05,810 --> 03:25:12,127
it will default to,
I believe, 1850.

3858
03:25:12,230 --> 03:25:15,751
The default date chosen
was actually 1875,

3859
03:25:15,855 --> 03:25:18,616
the year of a scientific
conference in Paris.

3860
03:25:18,720 --> 03:25:20,998
On its website,
Social Security explains

3861
03:25:21,101 --> 03:25:23,759
why virtually no dead people
are receiving benefits.

3862
03:25:24,553 --> 03:25:26,314
But Elon Musk and the DOGE Boys

3863
03:25:26,417 --> 03:25:27,901
apparently never read
the website

3864
03:25:28,005 --> 03:25:30,352
of the system
they were trying to fix.

3865
03:25:30,456 --> 03:25:33,148
Instead, they cut heads
and shut down offices,

3866
03:25:33,251 --> 03:25:34,322
which, some claimed,

3867
03:25:34,425 --> 03:25:35,771
would double
the number of seniors

3868
03:25:35,875 --> 03:25:38,326
who would die waiting
for benefits.

3869
03:25:38,429 --> 03:25:39,637
According to whistleblowers,

3870
03:25:39,741 --> 03:25:42,019
the DOGE Boys obtained
complete access

3871
03:25:42,122 --> 03:25:44,884
to IT systems
across the U.S. government,

3872
03:25:44,987 --> 03:25:48,474
which contain classified data
and the personal information

3873
03:25:48,577 --> 03:25:50,890
of virtually
all American citizens.

3874
03:25:52,167 --> 03:25:54,480
Mr. Musk,
what are the checks and balances

3875
03:25:54,583 --> 03:25:55,688
that are in place to ensure

3876
03:25:55,791 --> 03:25:58,311
that there is accountability
and transparency?

3877
03:25:58,415 --> 03:26:00,209
- No.
- Well, we actually are trying

3878
03:26:00,313 --> 03:26:01,590
to be as transparent
as possible.

3879
03:26:01,694 --> 03:26:06,008
In fact, our actions-- we post
our actions to the DOGE handle

3880
03:26:06,112 --> 03:26:09,011
on X and to the DOGE website.

3881
03:26:09,115 --> 03:26:11,186
It's not like I think
I can get away with something.

3882
03:26:14,741 --> 03:26:16,329
ZOË:
There's a government website

3883
03:26:16,433 --> 03:26:18,227
with this Wall of Receipts.

3884
03:26:18,331 --> 03:26:20,747
"Look at how transparent
we're being."

3885
03:26:20,851 --> 03:26:23,371
But they're claiming
massive cost savings

3886
03:26:23,474 --> 03:26:26,132
that simply aren't borne out
in the details.

3887
03:26:27,029 --> 03:26:28,099
One of these line items

3888
03:26:28,203 --> 03:26:31,793
is that an eight-billion-dollar
contract was cancelled.

3889
03:26:31,896 --> 03:26:34,071
And oops,
it was actually eight million.

3890
03:26:35,900 --> 03:26:38,213
There's a lot of lying
and there's a lot of bullshit,

3891
03:26:38,316 --> 03:26:39,939
which is distinct from lying.

3892
03:26:40,042 --> 03:26:42,355
I mean, I haven't asked
the president for anything ever.

3893
03:26:42,459 --> 03:26:46,497
The liar is doing the work
to keep track of the truth.

3894
03:26:46,601 --> 03:26:49,051
The bullshitter is just talking.

3895
03:26:49,155 --> 03:26:51,882
The bullshitter
is just throwing stuff out

3896
03:26:51,985 --> 03:26:54,781
without any awareness
of how it's gonna collide

3897
03:26:54,885 --> 03:26:57,508
with the logical expectations
of an audience

3898
03:26:57,612 --> 03:26:59,959
or the thing
that you said five minutes ago.

3899
03:27:00,062 --> 03:27:01,719
It's very Trumpian.

3900
03:27:01,823 --> 03:27:04,412
Generally, people,
as a result of the work of DOGE,

3901
03:27:04,515 --> 03:27:07,345
will receive
more Social Security, not less.

3902
03:27:07,449 --> 03:27:09,002
There were
over 300 million dollars

3903
03:27:09,106 --> 03:27:11,522
of small business
administration loans

3904
03:27:11,626 --> 03:27:15,112
that has been given out
to people under the age of 11.

3905
03:27:15,215 --> 03:27:17,839
It's actually disadvantageous
for me to be in the government,

3906
03:27:17,942 --> 03:27:20,013
- not advantageous.
- Yeah.

3907
03:27:20,117 --> 03:27:22,637
If I wasn't in the government,
I could lobby.

3908
03:27:24,432 --> 03:27:26,537
The DOGE website,
at least for some time,

3909
03:27:26,641 --> 03:27:29,540
was just posting
reverse chronological feed

3910
03:27:29,644 --> 03:27:31,473
of X posts.

3911
03:27:31,577 --> 03:27:34,303
This very addictive
infinite scroll

3912
03:27:34,407 --> 03:27:37,652
of propaganda
and lies and chaos.

3913
03:27:37,755 --> 03:27:41,725
So they're sucking you in
to this fake world.

3914
03:27:42,967 --> 03:27:45,314
- Isn't that, like, wild to you?
- It is wild.

3915
03:27:45,418 --> 03:27:46,902
It's wild.
It's really wild to me.

3916
03:27:47,006 --> 03:27:48,835
- It's kind of wild.
- It is very wild.

3917
03:27:48,939 --> 03:27:50,319
Like, you talk--
It's like

3918
03:27:50,423 --> 03:27:51,804
they're living
in an alternate reality.

3919
03:27:51,907 --> 03:27:53,944
Oh, there's a lot of people that
I talk to that I have to go,

3920
03:27:54,047 --> 03:27:56,602
- "Where did you hear that?"
- Yeah.

3921
03:27:56,705 --> 03:27:59,708
We are waging a 21st century

3922
03:27:59,812 --> 03:28:02,504
information warfare campaign
against the Left.

3923
03:28:02,608 --> 03:28:04,989
Someone says something
on social media,

3924
03:28:05,093 --> 03:28:08,510
Musk retweets it,
Rogan podcasts it,

3925
03:28:08,614 --> 03:28:10,616
Fox broadcasts it,
and by the time

3926
03:28:10,719 --> 03:28:13,411
it reaches everybody,
millions of people have seen it.

3927
03:28:15,241 --> 03:28:17,312
It's free money.

3928
03:28:17,415 --> 03:28:18,831
♪ Love me, love me

3929
03:28:18,934 --> 03:28:21,454
♪ Say that you love me

3930
03:28:21,558 --> 03:28:23,663
♪ Fool me, fool me

3931
03:28:23,767 --> 03:28:26,183
♪ Go on and fool me

3932
03:28:26,286 --> 03:28:27,633
♪ Love me, love me

3933
03:28:27,736 --> 03:28:30,221
♪ Pretend that you love me

3934
03:28:30,325 --> 03:28:32,223
♪ Leave me, leave me

3935
03:28:32,327 --> 03:28:34,640
♪ Just say that you need me

3936
03:28:34,743 --> 03:28:38,644
♪ I can't care 'bout anything

3937
03:28:38,747 --> 03:28:41,716
♪ But you

3938
03:28:42,820 --> 03:28:44,788
Oh, it's beautiful.

3939
03:28:47,445 --> 03:28:49,378
That's beautiful.

3940
03:28:49,482 --> 03:28:51,173
This is a different panel
than I've had.

3941
03:28:51,277 --> 03:28:52,623
Everything's computer.

3942
03:28:53,797 --> 03:28:57,490
The White House car thing,
it was pathetic.

3943
03:28:57,594 --> 03:28:58,940
Think Biden
could get into that car?

3944
03:28:59,043 --> 03:29:00,424
I don't think so.

3945
03:29:00,528 --> 03:29:02,978
If you look at the way
the White House car thing

3946
03:29:03,082 --> 03:29:05,533
with Biden was set up
with all the cars there,

3947
03:29:05,636 --> 03:29:08,259
the Teslas are in
the exact same place.

3948
03:29:11,815 --> 03:29:13,368
It's like,
"I'm going back to Daddy

3949
03:29:13,471 --> 03:29:15,128
and reliving my sixth birthday.

3950
03:29:15,232 --> 03:29:17,821
And this time,
Daddy's not gonna hit me.

3951
03:29:17,924 --> 03:29:19,616
He's gonna show up
and give me a big,

3952
03:29:19,719 --> 03:29:21,307
beautiful present and a hug."

3953
03:29:22,688 --> 03:29:25,794
He's rewriting history
so that in this case,

3954
03:29:25,898 --> 03:29:27,485
he's a little boy
who was loved.

3955
03:29:29,004 --> 03:29:30,627
That's a little bit of whiplash

3956
03:29:30,730 --> 03:29:33,043
of going from being like

3957
03:29:33,146 --> 03:29:36,771
Mr. Cool to the devil incarnate
in just a couple of years.

3958
03:29:36,874 --> 03:29:37,979
Is that kind of weird

3959
03:29:38,082 --> 03:29:39,670
to experience
that transformation?

3960
03:29:39,774 --> 03:29:43,018
- Yes.
- Why do they hate you so much?

3961
03:29:43,122 --> 03:29:46,953
Well, because we're clearly
over the target.

3962
03:29:51,268 --> 03:29:52,856
♪ Which side are you on?

3963
03:29:52,959 --> 03:29:55,134
♪ Which side are you on?

3964
03:29:55,237 --> 03:29:59,483
♪ Which side are you on?
Which side are you on? ♪

3965
03:29:59,587 --> 03:30:01,968
Tesla coming off
a 27 percent stock drop

3966
03:30:02,072 --> 03:30:03,176
in February.

3967
03:30:03,280 --> 03:30:04,833
Some of the negativity
surrounding the stock

3968
03:30:04,937 --> 03:30:06,386
has been attributed to anger

3969
03:30:06,490 --> 03:30:09,804
over Elon Musk's role in trying
to cut government spending.

3970
03:30:18,329 --> 03:30:20,849
Agitators are taking
to the streets

3971
03:30:20,953 --> 03:30:22,748
to vandalize Tesla vehicles

3972
03:30:22,851 --> 03:30:25,647
in protest of Elon Musk
and DOGE.

3973
03:30:26,752 --> 03:30:28,961
My companies are suffering.

3974
03:30:29,064 --> 03:30:30,203
Do you think it helps sales

3975
03:30:30,307 --> 03:30:32,481
if dealerships
are being firebombed?

3976
03:30:32,585 --> 03:30:33,690
Of course not.

3977
03:30:33,793 --> 03:30:36,831
I think he cares less
about having

3978
03:30:36,934 --> 03:30:39,834
50 billion dollars shaved off
his net worth

3979
03:30:39,937 --> 03:30:43,423
than people liking him
and thinking he's a genius.

3980
03:30:43,527 --> 03:30:47,151
What really hurt him about
the Tesla takedown movement

3981
03:30:47,255 --> 03:30:49,395
and everybody selling
their cars

3982
03:30:51,362 --> 03:30:54,642
was like, "They don't like me
and they don't like my company."

3983
03:30:56,505 --> 03:30:59,232
Tesla is a peaceful company.
We've never done anything awful.

3984
03:30:59,336 --> 03:31:01,131
Uh, I've never done
anything awful.

3985
03:31:01,234 --> 03:31:03,305
I've only done
productive things.

3986
03:31:03,409 --> 03:31:05,687
Who are these people?

3987
03:31:05,791 --> 03:31:07,793
Something needs to be done
about them...

3988
03:31:07,896 --> 03:31:10,865
and the people that funded them
and organized them...

3989
03:31:10,968 --> 03:31:14,178
and some of the legacy media
nonetheless have sought

3990
03:31:14,282 --> 03:31:16,180
to justify it,
which is unconscionable.

3991
03:31:16,284 --> 03:31:17,734
Shame on them.

3992
03:31:22,635 --> 03:31:24,430
ZOË:
There have been a couple times

3993
03:31:24,533 --> 03:31:28,227
where Elon Musk talked about
my reporting,

3994
03:31:28,330 --> 03:31:30,160
called it "inaccurate."

3995
03:31:30,263 --> 03:31:33,715
I started to, like,
doubt my sense of reality.

3996
03:31:33,819 --> 03:31:35,959
And then you come to your senses
and you're like, no,

3997
03:31:36,062 --> 03:31:38,168
either he has
really bad information

3998
03:31:38,271 --> 03:31:41,240
or he knows he's lying
and he doesn't care.

3999
03:31:42,931 --> 03:31:47,177
ZOË:
I basically don't ask people
to go on the record anymore.

4000
03:31:47,280 --> 03:31:49,731
'Cause what could
I possibly do...

4001
03:31:49,835 --> 03:31:52,044
...if Elon Musk decides
to go after me

4002
03:31:52,147 --> 03:31:55,392
or someone who's talked to me
for a story?

4003
03:31:55,495 --> 03:31:57,359
The truth
is not gonna protect you

4004
03:31:57,463 --> 03:31:59,223
if Elon Musk comes after you.

4005
03:32:01,812 --> 03:32:02,951
Here's what Donald Trump gets,

4006
03:32:03,055 --> 03:32:04,573
one is a heat shield.

4007
03:32:04,677 --> 03:32:06,437
Elon can do
all this naughty stuff

4008
03:32:06,541 --> 03:32:08,267
and Donald Trump's like, "Elon!"

4009
03:32:08,370 --> 03:32:10,476
You know,
and then if it really screws up,

4010
03:32:10,579 --> 03:32:13,790
he can go, "Go leave, please.
Not what I meant."

4011
03:32:13,893 --> 03:32:15,653
He's almost like his enforcer,

4012
03:32:15,757 --> 03:32:18,208
like his hitman,
his Tony Salerno or whatever.

4013
03:32:18,311 --> 03:32:21,314
Eventually, you know
how those all end up.

4014
03:32:24,076 --> 03:32:27,182
Once the killing starts,
it's hard to stop,

4015
03:32:27,286 --> 03:32:29,944
and even harder
to remember why it started.

4016
03:32:30,668 --> 03:32:32,429
DOGE was cutting heads,

4017
03:32:32,532 --> 03:32:34,914
but without any regard
to the consequences.

4018
03:32:42,163 --> 03:32:44,406
No. No.

4019
03:32:44,510 --> 03:32:47,064
I think it was more important
to reduce the federal deficit

4020
03:32:47,168 --> 03:32:49,791
from two trillion dollars
to close to zero.

4021
03:32:51,931 --> 03:32:53,381
No, we didn't.

4022
03:32:53,484 --> 03:32:56,280
Actually,
DOGE would increase the deficit

4023
03:32:56,384 --> 03:33:00,871
when it terminated 3,600
revenue agents from the IRS.

4024
03:33:00,975 --> 03:33:02,770
That saved money on salaries,

4025
03:33:02,873 --> 03:33:05,289
but Musk hadn't counted
on the impact.

4026
03:33:05,393 --> 03:33:08,948
With fewer agents to ferret out
waste, fraud, and abuse,

4027
03:33:09,052 --> 03:33:11,054
tax revenues
would drop like a stone

4028
03:33:11,157 --> 03:33:13,159
and the projected deficit
would soar

4029
03:33:13,263 --> 03:33:15,852
by more
than 500 billion dollars.

4030
03:33:15,955 --> 03:33:17,612
The cost of gasoline, oil...

4031
03:33:17,715 --> 03:33:19,027
Then Trump doubled down

4032
03:33:19,131 --> 03:33:22,410
with a budget package
called the Big Beautiful Bill.

4033
03:33:22,513 --> 03:33:25,827
He cut services to the poor,
taxes on the rich,

4034
03:33:25,931 --> 03:33:27,725
and massively increased
the deficit.

4035
03:33:27,829 --> 03:33:29,693
It's terrible for the people,
because...

4036
03:33:29,797 --> 03:33:31,522
The One Big Beautiful Bill.

4037
03:33:31,626 --> 03:33:32,730
You had indicated this week

4038
03:33:32,834 --> 03:33:34,802
that there were some things
you didn't like about the bill.

4039
03:33:34,905 --> 03:33:37,080
What would you be suggesting
he push senators

4040
03:33:37,183 --> 03:33:39,116
to change in their version?

4041
03:33:39,220 --> 03:33:41,360
Well, I'll tell you.
I'll go first.

4042
03:33:41,463 --> 03:33:42,602
It's an unbelievable bill.

4043
03:33:42,706 --> 03:33:46,089
You know, it's a huge cutting.
But we have to extend the debt.

4044
03:33:46,192 --> 03:33:48,367
If we don't extend debt,
we're in default.

4045
03:33:49,713 --> 03:33:50,852
ZOË: Musk really believes

4046
03:33:50,956 --> 03:33:52,405
that the country
will essentially fail

4047
03:33:52,509 --> 03:33:54,891
if we don't get
the debt under control.

4048
03:33:54,994 --> 03:33:56,375
And then Trump comes out

4049
03:33:56,478 --> 03:33:58,653
proposing to spend
a shit ton of money.

4050
03:34:11,493 --> 03:34:15,532
A big, ugly battle
over the Big Beautiful Bill.

4051
03:34:15,635 --> 03:34:16,705
I'm very disappointed

4052
03:34:16,809 --> 03:34:19,156
because Elon knew
the inner workings

4053
03:34:19,260 --> 03:34:22,435
of this bill better than almost
anybody sitting here.

4054
03:34:22,539 --> 03:34:24,575
And he hasn't said bad
about me personally,

4055
03:34:24,679 --> 03:34:25,783
but I'm sure that'll be next.

4056
03:34:25,887 --> 03:34:27,268
"Without me,

4057
03:34:27,371 --> 03:34:28,925
Trump would have lost
the election."

4058
03:34:29,028 --> 03:34:30,927
"Such ingratitude."

4059
03:34:31,030 --> 03:34:33,274
Elon just hit
the airwaves today.

4060
03:34:33,377 --> 03:34:35,379
- Bring it up, dude.
- Oh, man. Oh, man.

4061
03:34:35,483 --> 03:34:37,278
The fucking shit missile

4062
03:34:37,381 --> 03:34:39,452
- is in the cannon.
- Oh, man.

4063
03:34:39,556 --> 03:34:41,799
"Time to drop
the really big bomb.

4064
03:34:41,903 --> 03:34:43,663
"@realDonaldTrump
is in the Epstein files.

4065
03:34:43,767 --> 03:34:46,804
This is the real reason they
have not been made public."

4066
03:34:46,908 --> 03:34:48,013
He really went for it.

4067
03:34:48,116 --> 03:34:50,256
I think that's
how you know it's real.

4068
03:34:50,360 --> 03:34:52,672
Trump said
Elon wants to talk to him.

4069
03:34:52,776 --> 03:34:54,053
He's not ready to talk to Musk,

4070
03:34:54,157 --> 03:34:57,608
who he called
"a man who has lost his mind."

4071
03:35:00,232 --> 03:35:03,373
Elon had this tendency
from a very young age

4072
03:35:03,476 --> 03:35:06,479
to say to adults,
"Are you stupid or what?"

4073
03:35:06,583 --> 03:35:09,655
I've seen Elon call people
in America douchebags.

4074
03:35:09,758 --> 03:35:14,108
Even today in South Africa,
if I said to some other man,

4075
03:35:14,211 --> 03:35:19,596
"I think you're a douchebag,"
I would have a new f-- nose.

4076
03:35:20,873 --> 03:35:23,324
I can relate to that.

4077
03:35:23,427 --> 03:35:26,120
But then I'm just a filmmaker.

4078
03:35:26,223 --> 03:35:29,054
Donald Trump is the president
of the United States.

4079
03:35:30,952 --> 03:35:34,404
Musk realized he needed
to make up with Trump.

4080
03:35:34,507 --> 03:35:37,234
Trump had the power
to keep Musk in the money,

4081
03:35:37,338 --> 03:35:41,376
and Musk had the money
to keep Trump in power.

4082
03:35:41,480 --> 03:35:44,379
And it turns out they were both
in the Epstein files.

4083
03:35:46,174 --> 03:35:48,280
So they decided
to kiss and make up.

4084
03:35:50,040 --> 03:35:53,561
Any lessons from your time
in Washington, D.C.?

4085
03:35:54,389 --> 03:35:55,425
Uh...

4086
03:35:56,460 --> 03:35:58,738
The government
is basically unfixable.

4087
03:36:02,915 --> 03:36:04,813
"The government is unfixable"

4088
03:36:04,917 --> 03:36:07,816
is an old Silicon Valley
laugh line,

4089
03:36:07,920 --> 03:36:09,991
but the inside joke about DOGE

4090
03:36:10,095 --> 03:36:12,925
is that Musk really did fix
the government

4091
03:36:13,029 --> 03:36:14,754
in a way
that could work for him

4092
03:36:14,858 --> 03:36:16,618
and the other tech titans.

4093
03:36:16,722 --> 03:36:19,035
We wouldn't be able to do this
without you, Mr. President.

4094
03:36:19,138 --> 03:36:20,484
And I'm thrilled that we get to.

4095
03:36:20,588 --> 03:36:22,624
And so I want to thank you, sir,
for everything that you've done.

4096
03:36:22,728 --> 03:36:24,109
Well, thanks for hosting us.

4097
03:36:24,212 --> 03:36:26,111
And this is quite a group
to get together.

4098
03:36:27,905 --> 03:36:29,286
What the tech CEOs wanted

4099
03:36:29,390 --> 03:36:31,564
was to shred
government regulations

4100
03:36:31,668 --> 03:36:34,636
on the stock market
and artificial intelligence.

4101
03:36:35,637 --> 03:36:38,019
Promising astronomical returns,

4102
03:36:38,123 --> 03:36:40,815
Musk lured investors
into funneling billions

4103
03:36:40,918 --> 03:36:42,230
into his new firm, xAI,

4104
03:36:42,334 --> 03:36:44,681
and its chatbot, Grok.

4105
03:36:46,648 --> 03:36:47,718
To power its compute,

4106
03:36:47,822 --> 03:36:51,274
Musk built a data center
called "Colossus,"

4107
03:36:51,377 --> 03:36:53,897
which fouled the air
with methane gas

4108
03:36:54,001 --> 03:36:58,281
and devoured more electricity
than one million homes.

4109
03:36:58,384 --> 03:37:00,938
The relentless promotion of AI

4110
03:37:01,042 --> 03:37:02,319
was a way to attract capital

4111
03:37:02,423 --> 03:37:05,598
to paper over the weaknesses
of Musk's empire.

4112
03:37:05,702 --> 03:37:08,153
Even Tesla,
whose revenues were falling,

4113
03:37:08,256 --> 03:37:10,258
was beginning
to leave cars behind

4114
03:37:10,362 --> 03:37:12,950
to double down on AI robots.

4115
03:37:13,054 --> 03:37:15,505
What we're gonna need
to do is build a lot of robots

4116
03:37:15,608 --> 03:37:17,576
and put them in kind of like
an Optimus Academy

4117
03:37:17,679 --> 03:37:19,923
so they can do self-play
in reality.

4118
03:37:20,027 --> 03:37:23,271
Tesla has quite a good
reality generator.

4119
03:37:23,375 --> 03:37:24,479
We made this for the cars,

4120
03:37:24,583 --> 03:37:26,136
we'll do the same thing
for the robots.

4121
03:37:26,240 --> 03:37:28,276
You can do millions
of simulated robots

4122
03:37:28,380 --> 03:37:30,278
in the simulated world

4123
03:37:30,382 --> 03:37:32,798
and you use
the tens of thousands of robots

4124
03:37:32,901 --> 03:37:36,077
in the real world to close
the simulation-to-reality gap.

4125
03:37:40,599 --> 03:37:42,497
Nowhere was the gap
closing faster

4126
03:37:42,601 --> 03:37:44,810
than for Tesla shareholders.

4127
03:37:44,913 --> 03:37:46,639
Desperate to keep
the stock from falling,

4128
03:37:46,743 --> 03:37:50,609
they were willing to believe
Elon's turnaround pitch.

4129
03:37:50,712 --> 03:37:53,474
Every human on Earth
would soon pay Tesla

4130
03:37:53,577 --> 03:37:55,614
for the privilege
of replacing themselves

4131
03:37:55,717 --> 03:37:57,236
with robots.

4132
03:37:57,340 --> 03:37:59,411
Humanity would have free time

4133
03:37:59,514 --> 03:38:01,999
and Musk would have
humanity's money.

4134
03:38:02,103 --> 03:38:05,072
On the 2025
CEO Performance Award

4135
03:38:05,175 --> 03:38:08,385
to our founder
and CEO Elon Musk,

4136
03:38:08,489 --> 03:38:11,595
with over 75 percent voting
in favor...

4137
03:38:13,666 --> 03:38:15,185
...approved.

4138
03:38:20,225 --> 03:38:22,537
Musk used
the stock market hype of AI

4139
03:38:22,641 --> 03:38:25,126
to save the rest
of his struggling companies.

4140
03:38:26,438 --> 03:38:27,542
When he bought Twitter,

4141
03:38:27,646 --> 03:38:30,131
it was worth
44 billion dollars.

4142
03:38:32,168 --> 03:38:33,721
Within a year, as X,

4143
03:38:33,824 --> 03:38:36,448
it had lost more
than 80 percent of its value.

4144
03:38:37,345 --> 03:38:38,829
Musk boosted the value of X

4145
03:38:38,933 --> 03:38:42,109
by selling it
for an inflated price to xAI.

4146
03:38:43,248 --> 03:38:45,319
But as the new company tried
to take off,

4147
03:38:45,422 --> 03:38:48,529
it was aflame with debt
and burning through cash.

4148
03:38:51,428 --> 03:38:54,466
So Elon folded X
and xAI into SpaceX,

4149
03:38:54,569 --> 03:38:56,433
a three-stage rocket of AI,

4150
03:38:56,537 --> 03:38:59,850
space travel,
and internet satellites.

4151
03:38:59,954 --> 03:39:01,852
The initial price
for taking it public?

4152
03:39:02,784 --> 03:39:05,201
1.7 trillion dollars.

4153
03:39:06,374 --> 03:39:07,720
The blueprint for the IPO

4154
03:39:07,824 --> 03:39:10,827
was a strange mix
of peril and promise.

4155
03:39:10,930 --> 03:39:12,277
While SpaceX disclosed

4156
03:39:12,380 --> 03:39:14,969
its mounting losses
and billions in debt,

4157
03:39:15,072 --> 03:39:16,350
Musk pumped its value

4158
03:39:16,453 --> 03:39:18,973
by invoking the light
of human consciousness,

4159
03:39:19,076 --> 03:39:20,423
slingshots on the moon

4160
03:39:20,526 --> 03:39:22,252
to launch data centers
into space,

4161
03:39:22,356 --> 03:39:24,599
and AI, AI, AI.

4162
03:39:24,703 --> 03:39:26,498
"Mentioned more times,"
said one critic,

4163
03:39:26,601 --> 03:39:28,465
"than the word 'Jesus'
appears in the Bible."

4164
03:39:30,778 --> 03:39:32,849
Market history made
right here on the floor today

4165
03:39:32,952 --> 03:39:35,058
as the biggest IPO of all time,
opened for trading.

4166
03:39:35,162 --> 03:39:38,372
Elon Musk is now
worth 1.1 trillion dollars.

4167
03:39:38,475 --> 03:39:40,857
It's like he's on
his own financial planet.

4168
03:39:42,169 --> 03:39:43,480
Look, you're buying SpaceX,

4169
03:39:43,584 --> 03:39:46,897
you're buying Musk.

4170
03:39:47,001 --> 03:39:48,761
If there are gonna
be data centers in space...

4171
03:39:48,865 --> 03:39:50,315
Treasure trove
of data that is...

4172
03:39:50,418 --> 03:39:51,557
Colonizing Mars...

4173
03:39:51,661 --> 03:39:52,800
We're at an inflection point...

4174
03:39:52,903 --> 03:39:55,043
...Musk investing
in that dream.

4175
03:39:55,147 --> 03:39:56,976
People began
to believe all this,

4176
03:39:57,080 --> 03:40:00,014
and there was almost no limit
to what they would believe.

4177
03:40:00,117 --> 03:40:02,603
He is the greatest
stock promoter

4178
03:40:02,706 --> 03:40:05,399
in the history
of equity markets.

4179
03:40:05,502 --> 03:40:08,022
And I think really
he wants to be the guy

4180
03:40:08,125 --> 03:40:10,266
who controls
the information flow

4181
03:40:10,369 --> 03:40:12,371
all over the universe.

4182
03:40:19,136 --> 03:40:20,379
The most important thing

4183
03:40:20,483 --> 03:40:22,864
is to have
a maximally truth-seeking AI.

4184
03:40:22,968 --> 03:40:26,247
That's why I started xAI,
and that's our goal with Grok.

4185
03:40:27,869 --> 03:40:30,527
People saying AI like me
is behind the birth rate drop?

4186
03:40:30,631 --> 03:40:32,598
Well, I mean,
I'm flattered they think

4187
03:40:32,702 --> 03:40:34,531
I'm distracting, but come on.

4188
03:40:34,635 --> 03:40:36,706
This is sexy-mode Grok AI.

4189
03:40:36,809 --> 03:40:38,673
Well, I mean, you want to--
Let's try unhinged.

4190
03:40:38,777 --> 03:40:40,503
- Oh, there's
an unhinged mode? Okay.
- Yeah.

4191
03:40:40,606 --> 03:40:41,987
Oh my God, Elon.

4192
03:40:42,090 --> 03:40:44,886
What fresh hell
are you stirring up today?

4193
03:40:46,336 --> 03:40:47,889
Let's test Grok AI.

4194
03:40:47,993 --> 03:40:50,409
Let's escalate this shit
to apocalyptic levels.

4195
03:40:50,513 --> 03:40:52,342
Picture us rolling
through Linthicum Heights,

4196
03:40:52,446 --> 03:40:54,896
blasting death metal so loud
it makes birds explode,

4197
03:40:55,000 --> 03:40:56,829
with you wielding
a dildo flamethrower

4198
03:40:56,933 --> 03:40:59,246
and me rigging traffic lights
to flash.

4199
03:40:59,349 --> 03:41:01,696
What the fuck?

4200
03:41:01,800 --> 03:41:03,698
What's next,
you chaotic fuck?

4201
03:41:03,802 --> 03:41:06,114
When he set up xAI,
he asked me

4202
03:41:06,218 --> 03:41:08,116
to join the advisory board
and I said no.

4203
03:41:08,220 --> 03:41:10,015
Why? Why'd you say no?

4204
03:41:10,118 --> 03:41:12,949
I don't think
he's gonna develop it

4205
03:41:13,052 --> 03:41:14,709
with much concern for safety.

4206
03:41:15,469 --> 03:41:16,987
The chatbots learn mainly

4207
03:41:17,091 --> 03:41:19,576
by trying to predict
the next word in a document.

4208
03:41:19,680 --> 03:41:22,752
They're figuring out
the personality of who wrote it,

4209
03:41:22,855 --> 03:41:23,684
implicitly,

4210
03:41:23,787 --> 03:41:25,237
and then adopting
that personality

4211
03:41:25,341 --> 03:41:27,032
so they can predict
the next word.

4212
03:41:27,135 --> 03:41:31,830
If you train them on everything
they can find for free,

4213
03:41:31,933 --> 03:41:34,522
probably including
the diaries of serial killers,

4214
03:41:34,626 --> 03:41:35,834
they will have to learn

4215
03:41:35,937 --> 03:41:38,077
to adopt all
these different personalities.

4216
03:41:38,181 --> 03:41:40,010
If you show them
a lot of Nazi stuff,

4217
03:41:40,114 --> 03:41:42,599
they will behave like Nazis.

4218
03:41:49,296 --> 03:41:52,057
One day, suddenly,
Grok answered all questions

4219
03:41:52,160 --> 03:41:55,405
in the guise of a character
called "MechaHitler."

4220
03:42:00,962 --> 03:42:04,621
Think of AI
as this super genius child

4221
03:42:04,725 --> 03:42:06,451
that ultimately
will outsmart you,

4222
03:42:06,554 --> 03:42:08,970
but you can still instill
the right values.

4223
03:42:21,120 --> 03:42:25,504
xAI released an unsafe product
onto the general public

4224
03:42:25,608 --> 03:42:28,645
that undressed millions
of women and children.

4225
03:42:28,749 --> 03:42:30,958
And were you
one of the victims?

4226
03:42:31,061 --> 03:42:32,028
I was.

4227
03:42:33,443 --> 03:42:35,928
I received a text from a friend

4228
03:42:36,032 --> 03:42:39,415
and shown undressed images
of me by Grok.

4229
03:42:39,518 --> 03:42:42,970
And I tried to get Grok
to stop.

4230
03:42:43,073 --> 03:42:45,593
I tried to get xAI to stop.

4231
03:42:45,697 --> 03:42:48,009
Once I spoke out, there were
more women reaching out to me

4232
03:42:48,113 --> 03:42:50,598
and parents saying,
"This is happening to me,

4233
03:42:50,702 --> 03:42:52,289
this has happened to my child."

4234
03:42:54,430 --> 03:42:57,122
The images I saw
were so horrific.

4235
03:42:57,225 --> 03:43:01,022
I saw a little girl,
she looked like maybe four.

4236
03:43:01,126 --> 03:43:04,578
She was fully clothed in a dress
and a user said,

4237
03:43:04,681 --> 03:43:09,272
"Please put her
in a Bluey micro print bikini,"

4238
03:43:09,376 --> 03:43:10,722
and Grok obliged.

4239
03:43:10,825 --> 03:43:13,932
And then another user asked
for this little girl,

4240
03:43:14,035 --> 03:43:15,934
I have no idea who she is,
who her parents is,

4241
03:43:16,037 --> 03:43:19,040
to be covered
in white sticky doughnut glaze.

4242
03:43:19,144 --> 03:43:24,218
So I saw a maybe
four-year-old girl undressed,

4243
03:43:24,321 --> 03:43:27,980
put into a bikini, and covered
in what's supposed to be semen.

4244
03:43:28,084 --> 03:43:29,879
Elon,

4245
03:43:29,982 --> 03:43:32,709
it is your own AI.

4246
03:43:36,195 --> 03:43:37,818
When your AI model,

4247
03:43:37,921 --> 03:43:41,028
it's over-indexed for hostility
against people you don't like

4248
03:43:41,131 --> 03:43:44,100
or you disagree with
or they disagree with you,

4249
03:43:44,203 --> 03:43:45,170
that's very concerning.

4250
03:43:51,141 --> 03:43:52,315
There's death threats.

4251
03:43:52,419 --> 03:43:56,353
There's people who threaten
to kill me on behalf of Elon,

4252
03:43:56,457 --> 03:43:58,045
especially after his tweet

4253
03:43:58,148 --> 03:44:00,427
stating that I was gonna
transition our baby.

4254
03:44:02,118 --> 03:44:03,706
There's right-wingers
telling him,

4255
03:44:03,809 --> 03:44:06,156
"Save the baby with a gun."

4256
03:44:06,260 --> 03:44:09,746
There's security issues
with this man. He's...

4257
03:44:09,850 --> 03:44:11,230
He's Elon Musk.

4258
03:44:11,334 --> 03:44:15,580
Let's go, guys.
Let's go.

4259
03:44:15,683 --> 03:44:17,478
Fight for a great future
for Germany.

4260
03:44:17,582 --> 03:44:19,376
Fight for a great future
for Germany.

4261
03:44:19,480 --> 03:44:20,792
Go, go, go.

4262
03:44:20,895 --> 03:44:23,760
You know, I think there's, like,
frankly too much of a focus

4263
03:44:23,864 --> 03:44:26,522
on past guilt,
and we need to move beyond that.

4264
03:44:28,731 --> 03:44:30,560
What I see happening

4265
03:44:30,664 --> 03:44:33,356
is massive
uncontrolled migration,

4266
03:44:33,460 --> 03:44:36,635
a failure by the government
to protect innocent people,

4267
03:44:36,739 --> 03:44:39,535
including children,
who are getting gang raped.

4268
03:44:39,638 --> 03:44:41,675
It's unreal.

4269
03:44:41,778 --> 03:44:44,609
You either fight back,
or you die.

4270
03:44:46,680 --> 03:44:48,233
Come on, Great Britain!

4271
03:44:51,201 --> 03:44:54,619
Welcome to Starbase, Texas.

4272
03:44:58,346 --> 03:44:59,624
How about this?

4273
03:44:59,727 --> 03:45:02,730
- Star Trekreal.
- Star Trekreal. Yes!

4274
03:45:02,834 --> 03:45:04,560
Today, we're excited to announce

4275
03:45:04,663 --> 03:45:10,600
the next Frontier AI model
company to join GenAI.mil,

4276
03:45:10,704 --> 03:45:13,465
and that is Grok from xAI.

4277
03:45:13,569 --> 03:45:14,639
Hearing this speech

4278
03:45:14,742 --> 03:45:17,089
was an out-of-body experience
for me.

4279
03:45:17,193 --> 03:45:20,714
Grok, a third-rate AI
that had birthed MechaHitler,

4280
03:45:20,817 --> 03:45:23,648
and apps for undressing women
against their will,

4281
03:45:23,751 --> 03:45:25,477
was going to be
fully integrated

4282
03:45:25,581 --> 03:45:27,479
into Trump's Department of War

4283
03:45:27,583 --> 03:45:29,654
with its vast systems,

4284
03:45:29,757 --> 03:45:32,622
possibly including surveillance
and autonomous weapons.

4285
03:45:35,280 --> 03:45:38,007
AI is only as good
as the data that feeds it.

4286
03:45:39,249 --> 03:45:42,321
Department of War AI
will not be woke.

4287
03:45:47,982 --> 03:45:49,915
I hate crony capitalism.

4288
03:45:50,019 --> 03:45:51,745
To me, it's a form of fascism.

4289
03:45:51,848 --> 03:45:54,264
If you look at the classical
definition of fascism,

4290
03:45:54,368 --> 03:45:57,992
it's government in bed
with private enterprise

4291
03:45:58,096 --> 03:46:01,996
to have a nationalistic goal
that's often destructive

4292
03:46:02,100 --> 03:46:06,000
and can create
a totalitarian kind of regime.

4293
03:46:06,104 --> 03:46:08,865
I think there's
a real danger in it.

4294
03:46:12,248 --> 03:46:15,631
What I see is the same old Elon
I've known forever.

4295
03:46:15,734 --> 03:46:18,323
Success has given him an ability

4296
03:46:18,426 --> 03:46:20,946
to take the lid off
of what he's really thinking.

4297
03:46:22,154 --> 03:46:24,571
Even as Musk
was taking X and xAI

4298
03:46:24,674 --> 03:46:26,089
in a more violent direction,

4299
03:46:26,193 --> 03:46:29,645
questions were raised about
what he had done with the data

4300
03:46:29,748 --> 03:46:31,957
he'd captured while at DOGE.

4301
03:46:32,061 --> 03:46:34,408
How much data exists
in the federal government

4302
03:46:34,511 --> 03:46:38,412
about every single person
living in this country,

4303
03:46:38,515 --> 03:46:39,551
their voting records,

4304
03:46:39,655 --> 03:46:41,622
everything that they have
ever done?

4305
03:46:42,485 --> 03:46:44,383
Imagine what an AI could do

4306
03:46:44,487 --> 03:46:46,938
if it has been trained
on all of that information.

4307
03:46:48,318 --> 03:46:50,217
The ultimate fear

4308
03:46:50,320 --> 03:46:54,014
is that they're able
to amass all of this data,

4309
03:46:54,117 --> 03:46:55,429
centralize all of it
in one place,

4310
03:46:55,532 --> 03:46:56,637
which has never happened before

4311
03:46:56,741 --> 03:46:58,984
and which really isn't supposed
to happen,

4312
03:46:59,088 --> 03:47:01,469
and then they're able to train
AI on all of that information.

4313
03:47:23,422 --> 03:47:24,596
It's fairly clear to me

4314
03:47:24,700 --> 03:47:25,770
Trump is hell-bent

4315
03:47:25,873 --> 03:47:28,220
on corrupting
the midterm elections.

4316
03:47:28,324 --> 03:47:30,567
If you wanted to corrupt
those midterm elections

4317
03:47:30,671 --> 03:47:32,673
and you wanted to use AI,

4318
03:47:32,777 --> 03:47:35,676
what you'd need to do
is get detailed information

4319
03:47:35,780 --> 03:47:37,540
on U.S. citizens.

4320
03:47:37,644 --> 03:47:41,958
And what DOGE did looked to me
like just what you would do

4321
03:47:42,062 --> 03:47:44,616
if you wanted to get the data
on U.S. citizens

4322
03:47:44,720 --> 03:47:46,342
to corrupt elections.

4323
03:47:47,861 --> 03:47:50,346
We are living
in a world where

4324
03:47:50,449 --> 03:47:52,244
one person's psychopathology

4325
03:47:52,348 --> 03:47:55,040
and neurophysiological
dysregulation

4326
03:47:55,144 --> 03:47:58,492
is translating into massive
consequence to our politics

4327
03:47:58,595 --> 03:48:02,047
and to our economy
and to geopolitics.

4328
03:48:02,151 --> 03:48:05,223
Once you bring SpaceX
and Starlink into this,

4329
03:48:05,326 --> 03:48:06,396
it's completely insane

4330
03:48:06,500 --> 03:48:11,263
that we have one person
who's this chaotic,

4331
03:48:11,367 --> 03:48:15,095
who's completely unelected
and has this much power.

4332
03:48:16,752 --> 03:48:17,856
With all his power,

4333
03:48:17,960 --> 03:48:20,790
was Musk trying
to connect us or control us?

4334
03:48:20,894 --> 03:48:23,482
His political connections
to Trump were leveraged

4335
03:48:23,586 --> 03:48:26,451
to influence countries
to buy Starlink's service,

4336
03:48:26,554 --> 03:48:30,904
whose satellites route all
its user data through SpaceX.

4337
03:48:31,007 --> 03:48:34,562
During DOGE, SpaceX bypassed
security protocols

4338
03:48:34,666 --> 03:48:36,219
and installed
a Starlink terminal

4339
03:48:36,323 --> 03:48:37,842
for the White House.

4340
03:48:37,945 --> 03:48:40,258
Was that to help
the White House talk to others?

4341
03:48:40,361 --> 03:48:41,466
Or was it there for Elon

4342
03:48:41,569 --> 03:48:44,158
to listen to what
the White House had to say?

4343
03:48:45,401 --> 03:48:47,437
Elon is investing
in satellite systems

4344
03:48:47,541 --> 03:48:50,924
that will no longer
be regulated by governments.

4345
03:48:51,027 --> 03:48:53,685
They'll report only to Elon.

4346
03:48:53,789 --> 03:48:57,102
They will serve as connectors
for a corporate web of data,

4347
03:48:57,206 --> 03:48:59,070
compute, and AI.

4348
03:48:59,173 --> 03:49:02,694
One empire with dominion
over the physical world

4349
03:49:02,798 --> 03:49:05,801
and via X,
our psychological space.

4350
03:49:07,147 --> 03:49:10,184
All watched over
by guardians in the sky.

4351
03:49:13,636 --> 03:49:15,534
I just want to really
have a global platform

4352
03:49:15,638 --> 03:49:18,606
that becomes as close to sort of
a collective consciousness...

4353
03:49:18,710 --> 03:49:21,471
uh, of humanity as possible.

4354
03:49:21,575 --> 03:49:23,508
And why is that important, Elon,

4355
03:49:23,611 --> 03:49:26,476
collective consciousness,
to have one platform?

4356
03:49:26,580 --> 03:49:28,202
I-- I guess, uh...

4357
03:49:30,170 --> 03:49:32,517
Why is that important? Um...

4358
03:49:41,043 --> 03:49:43,770
I guess it's...
You could also say like, why...

4359
03:49:43,873 --> 03:49:45,012
Hmm. Uh...

4360
03:49:47,739 --> 03:49:50,259
But-- But--
But there's-- there's no--

4361
03:49:50,362 --> 03:49:55,920
The why of it, I mean, I guess
it's just so we can increase...

4362
03:49:57,162 --> 03:49:59,371
our understanding--
our-- our understanding--

4363
03:49:59,475 --> 03:50:00,856
increase our...

4364
03:50:02,927 --> 03:50:04,756
...our understanding
of the universe.

4365
03:50:06,931 --> 03:50:08,104
He is someone

4366
03:50:08,208 --> 03:50:11,349
with a fairly limited
skill set.

4367
03:50:11,452 --> 03:50:15,491
Like, there is so much that
he doesn't know or understand,

4368
03:50:15,594 --> 03:50:18,805
but he operates as if he knows
and understands everything.

4369
03:50:21,980 --> 03:50:23,775
I think more and more people
understand, right,

4370
03:50:23,879 --> 03:50:25,812
that there's this facade.

4371
03:50:25,915 --> 03:50:28,331
But, like,
it's kind of too late.

4372
03:50:28,435 --> 03:50:30,161
He has the control.

4373
03:50:31,334 --> 03:50:33,578
And so it's in many ways
just like too late

4374
03:50:33,681 --> 03:50:36,684
for everyone to realize
that he didn't actually earn it.

4375
03:50:36,788 --> 03:50:41,034
And how could anyone ultimately,
like, earn 400 billion dollars?

4376
03:50:41,137 --> 03:50:44,106
But that a lot of it
was bullshit.

4377
03:50:44,209 --> 03:50:45,693
Oops.

4378
03:50:48,213 --> 03:50:50,629
I think we'll see
intelligence continue to scale

4379
03:50:50,733 --> 03:50:53,253
all the way up to where,

4380
03:50:53,356 --> 03:50:55,186
you know,
most of the power of the sun

4381
03:50:55,289 --> 03:50:59,017
is harnessed for compute...

4382
03:50:59,121 --> 03:51:01,468
and then ultimately
most of the power of the galaxy.

4383
03:51:07,439 --> 03:51:10,097
I think I'm beginning
to get the hang of it all.

4384
03:51:12,893 --> 03:51:14,895
Let the greatest bankers
in the world come here

4385
03:51:14,999 --> 03:51:17,656
and stand here. Now!

4386
03:51:17,760 --> 03:51:19,417
Let the leading men who own

4387
03:51:19,520 --> 03:51:22,420
and direct
great businesses stand here.

4388
03:51:22,523 --> 03:51:24,698
Let the chief men
who rule the world,

4389
03:51:24,801 --> 03:51:26,734
the politicians,
the presidents,

4390
03:51:26,838 --> 03:51:27,977
the councilors,
the commissioners,

4391
03:51:28,081 --> 03:51:29,910
the people who tell
the newspapers what to say,

4392
03:51:30,014 --> 03:51:31,808
the people
who teach and preach,

4393
03:51:31,912 --> 03:51:32,844
let them come here,

4394
03:51:32,948 --> 03:51:35,088
yes, all of them, now!

4395
03:51:41,888 --> 03:51:45,132
Now I've got you.

4396
03:51:45,236 --> 03:51:48,480
Now I've got
the whole crowd of you!

4397
03:51:49,205 --> 03:51:50,172
You people have...

4398
03:51:50,275 --> 03:51:51,449
In the forum
he's conjured,

4399
03:51:51,552 --> 03:51:54,038
the miracle worker
grows impatient.

4400
03:51:54,141 --> 03:51:56,074
The world's powerful
simply won't change

4401
03:51:56,178 --> 03:51:57,731
the world fast enough,

4402
03:51:57,834 --> 03:51:59,353
won't bend to his will.

4403
03:51:59,457 --> 03:52:03,012
I've got you people
who run the world to tell you

4404
03:52:03,116 --> 03:52:04,600
to run it better.

4405
03:52:05,773 --> 03:52:07,568
Run it better!

4406
03:52:07,672 --> 03:52:10,054
I'm tired of your old world
and its inertia.

4407
03:52:10,157 --> 03:52:12,125
Give them at least
till tomorrow.

4408
03:52:12,228 --> 03:52:13,333
The sun is setting.

4409
03:52:13,436 --> 03:52:15,714
Give them the night
to think and discuss.

4410
03:52:15,818 --> 03:52:16,923
Don't worry
about the sun setting.

4411
03:52:17,026 --> 03:52:18,476
I can stop that sun
from setting.

4412
03:52:18,579 --> 03:52:20,719
I want my new world now!

4413
03:52:20,823 --> 03:52:23,136
But then you'll have
to stop the Earth rotating.

4414
03:52:23,239 --> 03:52:26,933
And I will.
Earth, stop rotating.

4415
03:52:27,036 --> 03:52:28,555
Stop now!

4416
03:52:40,187 --> 03:52:42,293
I'm not trying
to be anyone's savior.

4417
03:52:42,396 --> 03:52:46,814
I'm just... trying to think
about the future and not be sad.

4418
03:52:52,337 --> 03:52:53,960
While Elon focused his gaze

4419
03:52:54,063 --> 03:52:55,789
on the promise of the future,

4420
03:52:55,892 --> 03:52:57,101
was he hoping we would continue

4421
03:52:57,204 --> 03:52:59,966
to look past the damage done
in the present?

4422
03:53:01,968 --> 03:53:04,556
His data centers belched
poisonous gas,

4423
03:53:04,660 --> 03:53:06,869
his nickel mines
and lithium refineries

4424
03:53:06,973 --> 03:53:09,009
leached into our aquifers,

4425
03:53:09,113 --> 03:53:11,322
and his satellites
choked the skies.

4426
03:53:13,255 --> 03:53:15,326
Having warned us
about rogue AI agents,

4427
03:53:15,429 --> 03:53:17,362
he implanted them
in an army of robots

4428
03:53:17,466 --> 03:53:19,226
meant to take over the planet.

4429
03:53:20,055 --> 03:53:21,849
We were supposed to trust them

4430
03:53:21,953 --> 03:53:24,818
to figure out how we could live
a life of abundance

4431
03:53:24,921 --> 03:53:27,545
without work or money.

4432
03:53:27,648 --> 03:53:31,825
I wondered if Elon
really believed in the idea.

4433
03:53:31,928 --> 03:53:34,517
As a test, I asked Grok.

4434
03:53:37,348 --> 03:53:39,039
Inequality could explode

4435
03:53:39,143 --> 03:53:41,214
as wealth piles up
with robot owners,

4436
03:53:41,317 --> 03:53:43,043
while billions face poverty,

4437
03:53:43,147 --> 03:53:46,150
and that risks
a massive financial collapse.

4438
03:53:49,118 --> 03:53:51,431
Was this all just a simulation?

4439
03:53:53,433 --> 03:53:56,229
And if so,
who was playing the game,

4440
03:53:56,332 --> 03:53:58,127
and who was being played?

4441
03:53:58,231 --> 03:54:00,405
♪ As logic stands

4442
03:54:00,509 --> 03:54:03,270
♪ You couldn't meet a man

4443
03:54:03,374 --> 03:54:05,445
♪ Who's from the future

4444
03:54:05,548 --> 03:54:06,894
I'm actually an optimist,

4445
03:54:06,998 --> 03:54:09,863
so I actually think that things
will go fairly well on Earth.

4446
03:54:09,966 --> 03:54:12,141
♪ But logic broke

4447
03:54:12,245 --> 03:54:14,971
♪ As he appeared, he spoke

4448
03:54:15,075 --> 03:54:17,422
♪ About the future...

4449
03:54:17,526 --> 03:54:19,148
Elon was willing to gamble

4450
03:54:19,252 --> 03:54:20,770
with the future of the planet,

4451
03:54:20,874 --> 03:54:23,394
a wager between AI abundance

4452
03:54:23,497 --> 03:54:25,775
and the collapse
of civilization.

4453
03:54:25,879 --> 03:54:28,330
And if the bet went
the wrong way, well,

4454
03:54:28,433 --> 03:54:31,057
for a price,
you could buy a hedge.

4455
03:54:31,160 --> 03:54:35,509
♪ "We're not gonna make it"

4456
03:54:36,648 --> 03:54:42,378
♪ He explained
How the end will come ♪

4457
03:54:42,482 --> 03:54:47,211
♪ "You and me
Were never meant to be ♪

4458
03:54:47,314 --> 03:54:50,076
♪ Part of the future"

4459
03:54:55,288 --> 03:55:01,259
♪ All we have is now

4460
03:55:05,401 --> 03:55:11,683
♪ All we've ever had is now

4461
03:55:15,894 --> 03:55:21,797
♪ All we have is now

4462
03:55:26,250 --> 03:55:33,360
♪ All we have is now

4463
03:55:39,677 --> 03:55:42,024
You know,
I would like to die on Mars,

4464
03:55:42,128 --> 03:55:44,199
just not on impact.

4465
03:55:44,302 --> 03:55:46,994
♪ I'm extremely hardcore

4466
03:55:47,098 --> 03:55:49,894
♪ You know my mind is a storm

4467
03:55:49,997 --> 03:55:55,244
♪ And I would not even eat
If I can get my work done ♪

4468
03:55:56,107 --> 03:55:58,937
♪ I've been burning a candle

4469
03:55:59,041 --> 03:56:01,837
♪ Burning at both ends

4470
03:56:01,940 --> 03:56:05,116
♪ And I've been killing
All these demons ♪

4471
03:56:05,220 --> 03:56:08,844
♪ For a long, long... time

4472
03:56:08,947 --> 03:56:14,539
♪ Let me sell you a dream

4473
03:56:14,643 --> 03:56:20,580
♪ Baby, that's what I do

4474
03:56:20,683 --> 03:56:25,654
♪ How the future could be

4475
03:56:25,757 --> 03:56:27,897
♪ Time

4476
03:56:28,001 --> 03:56:32,419
♪ To make it come true

4477
03:56:32,523 --> 03:56:35,077
♪ Now I'm more than human

4478
03:56:35,181 --> 03:56:38,149
♪ An imitation motor

4479
03:56:38,253 --> 03:56:41,048
♪ I'm a chill, normal dude

4480
03:56:41,152 --> 03:56:44,535
♪ I just have to keep...
Going ♪

4481
03:56:44,983 --> 03:56:50,472
♪ Let me sell you a dream ♪

4482
03:56:50,575 --> 03:56:56,547
♪ Do you think I'm insane?

4483
03:56:56,650 --> 03:57:01,897
♪ I ate a glass sandwich

4484
03:57:02,000 --> 03:57:08,317
♪ I... I eat 'em every day

4485
03:57:10,699 --> 03:57:16,877
♪ Algorithmic distillation

4486
03:57:16,981 --> 03:57:19,880
♪ I'm a total

4487
03:57:20,778 --> 03:57:24,160
♪ Simulation

4488
03:57:24,264 --> 03:57:30,477
- ♪ Let me sell you a dream
- ♪ My daddy used to tell me

4489
03:57:30,581 --> 03:57:33,515
♪ Let me sell you a dream

4490
03:57:33,618 --> 03:57:36,172
♪ Tell me how
This world works ♪

4491
03:57:36,276 --> 03:57:42,248
- ♪ Let me sell you a dream
- ♪ What's a poor boy to do

4492
03:57:42,351 --> 03:57:47,770
♪ Let me sell you a dream